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Old 09-14-2006, 12:44 PM     Post subject: pkr.com #1 (permalink)  
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Anybody currently playing at pkr.com? Now a rakeback deal is available and i'm thinking of signing up there and got a few questions:

1) how is the traffic?
2) what are the best times to play?
3) how's the quality of play (NL HE)?
4) how many hands per hour could i expect to play in 6max games?

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Old 09-14-2006, 02:24 PM #2 (permalink)  
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Last time this site was talked about traffic was minimal. Like less then 1000.
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Forget it... Just forget... Its basically play money traffic..
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Old 09-17-2006, 04:26 PM     Post subject: Re: pkr.com #4 (permalink)  
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1) how is the traffic?
2) what are the best times to play?
3) how's the quality of play (NL HE)?
4) how many hands per hour could i expect to play in 6max games?
1) None. And now, they are not accepting US players. So there will be no traffic.
2) None.
3) Play money play.
4) No real money games to play.
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Old 09-17-2006, 04:38 PM #5 (permalink)  
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Thanks for the info! I guess i won't sign up now
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Old 09-21-2006, 02:00 PM     Post subject: Re: pkr.com #6 (permalink)  

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1) how is the traffic?
2) what are the best times to play?
3) how's the quality of play (NL HE)?
4) how many hands per hour could i expect to play in 6max games?
1) None. And now, they are not accepting US players. So there will be no traffic.
2) None.
3) Play money play.
4) No real money games to play.
Xianti I think you are being a little harsh on PKR. The site has only been running for less than a month and the traffic has been growing rapidly and we haven't kicked off our marketing push as yet.
You are correct at present we don't accept US players but this is something we hope will change soon as I'm sure you realise its not a decision we made lightly. US players are welcome to play in the freerolls and can withdraw any money they win, and we are running freerolls at US friendly times.

Our intention is to help grow the poker market rather than just bring out another skin exactly the same as every other site.
The worldwide number of live poker players is huge and current estimates suggest only 5% of these players actually play online.
Why don't they play online??? Well in real life you've probably heard the saying that you "play the player, not the cards"
Poker sites have taken away the body language, the moods, the tells. Much of the goading and chat has gone too. In fact they simplified it so much that nearly every nuance of the game that can make it so interesting has been taken away. You are just left with the cards.

We have tried to use videogame technology to improve the sociability and personality within the game - to make it more fun and more strategic. You give off tells by looking at your cards, you can act strong whilst weak by interacting with other players and you can choose to show one or both of your cards when you win pots. Chip tricks, as in real life become more advanced the longer you play at PKR.

I guess at the end of the day you can't please all the people all the time, but I like to think we have brought something new to the table.

Cheers,
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Old 09-21-2006, 02:23 PM     Post subject: Re: pkr.com #7 (permalink)  
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We have tried to use videogame technology to improve the sociability and personality within the game - to make it more fun and more strategic.
Make it a shooter so I can kill the guy that sucks out to hit his 2 -outer.

Seriously, Andy, the software is impressive but everything you talk about is peripheral to the game of poker. I'm curious as to what kind of players you expect to attract. Multi-tabling is nigh on impossible as far as I can see (correct me if I'm wrong), and the bells and whistles make play so slow that the number of hands per hour I can get in are seriously impacted (again, correct me if this is a misconception).



 
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Old 09-21-2006, 02:58 PM     Post subject: Re: pkr.com #8 (permalink)  

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Seriously, Andy, the software is impressive but everything you talk about is peripheral to the game of poker. I'm curious as to what kind of players you expect to attract. Multi-tabling is nigh on impossible as far as I can see (correct me if I'm wrong), and the bells and whistles make play so slow that the number of hands per hour I can get in are seriously impacted (again, correct me if this is a misconception).
Hi Warpe,

I really don't think it is peripheral to the game. Our aim is to try to put more life into online poker and to make it as close to a live game as possible.
You are correct that at present the site is not ideal for multi-tabling, it is possible to play up to 4 tables but I agree its not as easy as other sites and this is something we are working on.
I guess we are going to attract the players looking for more of a social and fun experience rather than those who are in it purely to make money. There are 150 million video gamers worldwide and PKR will suit them more than other sites. That said if we are attracting the less serious players this in turn will attract the more serious players who hope to find easy pickings.
The hands per hour issue is not so much of an problem and if you go onto the site you will see hand rates of 70 plus for 6 handed cash games which comparable to other sites. I think it just feels slower because there is more going on.

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Old 09-21-2006, 05:20 PM #9 (permalink)  
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Chip Tricks? Are you f'in serious?

I'm a live game player and well as an online player, and I enjoy both games for different reasons. I understand the intention of adding in more "life-like" aspects to your front-end to enhance the experience and revitalize the non-cards factors back into the game. But come on, "look" at your cards? Chip Tricks? Video Game crowd? If you're looking at incorporating a different spin to your gaming site, try adding in some nekkid ladies like NakedPoker.com is doing. Don't know if it'll work, but logic would lead me to believe that players would be more apt to check out scantily clad women while they multi-table than play a Leisure Suit Larry rip-off.

If you are trying to attract players looking for a more social and fun experience, then check the live card room. Internet Poker players play AT HOME because they want to. Anti-social? Introverted? Make more money multi-tabling? Live play too slow? Who knows, but I'm pretty sure if the Internet Poker player WANTED a more social experience they'd be able to find it. Yes, it would appear that you are offering a unique experience that isn't currently available, I'm just not sure there's a demand for it.

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Old 09-21-2006, 06:50 PM #10 (permalink)  
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 PKR is bringing something pretty new and cool to the industry. Sure, it may not appeal to the hardcore poker players, but it definitely will appeal to others who would appreciate the experience. Attracting the video game audience is very possible (and that is a BIG AUDIENCE) - it looks like a PS2/Xbox game. PKR could attract NEW players into the industry, rather than moving players from skin to skin. I think it's an innovative idea and a good addition to the industry.

Who doesn't want more fish in the pond?

Now saying that, the real problem is not accepting US players. I think this is extremely short-sighted. Clearly, US players dominate this industry. By not marketing to the US, I don't know if PKR can gain critical mass and gain enough market share to survive and thrive.

PartyPoker, PokerStars, etc are all taking US players. PKR should too.

The US gov't has not pursued any online Poker or Casino operations, only online Sportsbooks. The Wire Act specifically mentions Sportsbooks. It makes a secondary mention of games of chance. Either way, poker is neither.

And if the US gov't does go after online poker rooms, they won't start with PKR!!! LOL! There'll be time to monitor that situation.

With US players joining PKR, then a decent player base would get developed faster - from everywhere. And if they have to drop US players at a later date, hopefully they've gained critical mass and developed a large enough European player base to continue on.

So in conclusion - innovative concept and product, poor marketing strategy. Unfortunately, it's the marketing that pwns.
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