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Hi there, I'm a fish. 10 games is a huge sample size to me. Top pair doesn't always hold up. PArty Poker must be rigged because I am teH BesTT player in TeH worl and I didn't win my last 10 games. thanks, that is all. |
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| a500lbgorilla |
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Sucks to be you. Report them. support@partypoker.com -'rilla |
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 Smithers, use the amnesia ray. You mean the revolver, sir? Precisely. 
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| elipsesjeff |
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Yeah man, party poker is known a lot for being rigged around here. Do a search on the forums here at FTR and you'll find out a lot more information...... 
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| ShadySully |
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I don't know if it is actually fixed but it sure seems like it sometimes.  I've heard the same story before around here. A guy cashes out or partially cashes out and then gets bad beat after bad beat. I haven't tried cashing out yet but I play a lot of live games and I sure think there is something fishy with the cards on Party poker. For example: 1. Flushes on the flop. In an average sit n go you see this happen 3 or 4 times within 50-70 hands. In the live games I play in it "might" happen once in a night. Approx 75-100 hands or more. 2. Pocket pairs. When you get one be very careful because there's usually one or two other people who have one too. If not they'll have Big Slick. I can't tell you how many times I've seen AA vs. KK on Party Poker. Its weird but it just seems like the pocket pairs come in bunches which doesn't seem to happen all that much in live games. 3. Ever notice how a guy will lose a huge pot and be almost out and then go all in on the next hand with junk cards like 64o. He'll get called by a guy with a legitimate hand and the flop comes 6 4 6 and the guy wins and is right back in the game. Seems to happen quite a bit. Now I'm not saying that these things only happen on Party Poker. Weird things can happen with cards and you drive yourself crazy thinking about the odds of certain things happening and then happening again and again. I've seen all kinds of weird things happen playing in live games too it just seems to happen with a lot more frequency on Party Poker. There is a definate pattern you pick up on if you play alot. I've read these posts before and people usually respond saying that the guy is an idiot or he's playing more hands online so you see more weird things. Etc. I wonder how many of those guys actually play in live games? And how often? If you primarily play online you probably wouldn't notice anything fishy. I tell ya I play at Partypoker quite a bit and in ALOT of live games too. There is definately something going on with the cards at Partypoker. I seem to be winning though so I'm not complaining too much. |
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| FlyingSaucy |
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Well, some of that speculation to me is kind of silly. I mean, that kind of stuff happens all the time - and the reason it happens "all the time" is because those "crazy" situations are the ones that are memorable, not because it actually happens any more than mathematically expected. I believe there are auditing systems in place that require online casinos to dump the data on all hands played out. If there is statistical significance to any "rigged" cards, they will be shut down. There is no incentive for Party, or any online casino, to favor one player over another. They are making a killing with the rake and tourney entry fees, and have no real reason to deal cards that cause players to get bad beats. The risk of being caught, if they actually were systematically and programatically screwing people, far outweighs the benefit of maybe making a few extra bucks on a higher rake every now and then. Fluctuation in bankroll should be expected. In fact, even on SnG's you might hit a string of games where you don't make it in the money. If you have 70 in your account, and have a string of 10 bad beat $5+1 Sng's (which is not even close to unheard of), you'll just about be broke. Here's the thing. Last night, in a single SnG, I was delt so many high pocket pairs it made my head spin. In only 81 hands, here are the pocket pairs I got: 88 kk aa aa jj 44 77 kk 88 88 The 2nd - 5th ones (kk, aa, qq, aa) were delt to me 4 HANDS IN A ROW. Check out the bad beat on the KK hand. The next 3 hands were me wanting someone to think I was on complete tilt, and calling. Probably should have played them better... heh Hand history posted below. I only altered my screen name because I am paranoid of you onlookers knowing who i am.  The point is, I was really happy I got these cards, but it's not like this kind of stuff happens "all the time." Consider how many hands you play, and how many times your 88 takes down the pot when the flop is AQ8, instead of getting a bad beat by a guy with A3. ***** Hand History for Game 1244036418 ***** 30/60 TourneyTexasHTGameTable (NL) (Tournament 7565556) - Tue Nov 30 23:15:46 EST 2004 Table Table 17608 (Real Money) -- Seat 2 is the button Total number of players : 10 Seat 1: jamesnora (685) Seat 2: CrazyGus (710) Seat 3: Telestic (710) Seat 4: sdox12 (900) Seat 5: Tongue37 (1482) Seat 6: tsunami55 (905) Seat 7: shuschle (595) Seat 8: COOP1870 (323) Seat 9: Nobodys_Slo (740) Seat 10: FlyingSaucerAttack (950) Telestic posts small blind (15) sdox12 posts big blind (30) ** Dealing down cards ** Dealt to FlyingSaucerAttack [ Kd, Ks ] Tongue37 calls (30) tsunami55 folds. shuschle folds. COOP1870 folds. Nobodys_Slo raises (60) to 60 FlyingSaucerAttack calls (60) jamesnora folds. CrazyGus folds. Telestic calls (45) sdox12 calls (30) Tongue37 calls (30) ** Dealing Flop ** : [ Jc, Kh, 3h ] Telestic checks. sdox12 checks. Tongue37 checks. Nobodys_Slo bets (200) FlyingSaucerAttack raises (400) to 400 Telestic folds. sdox12 folds. Tongue37 folds. Nobodys_Slo raises (400) to 600 FlyingSaucerAttack raises (400) to 800 Nobodys_Slo calls (80) Nobodys_Slo is all-In. ** Dealing Turn ** : [ 2c ] ** Dealing River ** : [ Tc ] Creating Main Pot with $1660 with Nobodys_Slo ** Summary ** Main Pot: 1660 | Side Pot 1: 120 Board: [ Jc Kh 3h 2c Tc ] jamesnora balance 685, didn't bet (folded) CrazyGus balance 710, didn't bet (folded) Telestic balance 650, lost 60 (folded) sdox12 balance 840, lost 60 (folded) Tongue37 balance 1422, lost 60 (folded) tsunami55 balance 905, didn't bet (folded) shuschle balance 595, didn't bet (folded) COOP1870 balance 323, didn't bet (folded) Nobodys_Slo balance 1660, bet 740, collected 1660, net +920 [ Ac Kc ] [ a flush, ace high -- Ac,Kc,Jc,Tc,2c ] FlyingSaucerAttack balance 210, bet 860, collected 120, lost -740 [ Kd Ks ] [ three of a kind, kings -- Kd,Ks,Kh,Jc,Tc ] ***** Hand History for Game 1244041303 ***** 30/60 TourneyTexasHTGameTable (NL) (Tournament 7565556) - Tue Nov 30 23:16:46 EST 2004 Table Table 17608 (Real Money) -- Seat 3 is the button Total number of players : 10 Seat 1: jamesnora (685) Seat 2: CrazyGus (710) Seat 3: Telestic (650) Seat 4: sdox12 (840) Seat 5: Tongue37 (1422) Seat 6: tsunami55 (905) Seat 7: shuschle (595) Seat 8: COOP1870 (323) Seat 9: Nobodys_Slo (1660) Seat 10: FlyingSaucerAttack (210) sdox12 posts small blind (15) Tongue37 posts big blind (30) ** Dealing down cards ** Dealt to FlyingSaucerAttack [ Ac, As ] tsunami55 calls (30) shuschle calls (30) COOP1870 folds. Nobodys_Slo folds. FlyingSaucerAttack: nice hand FlyingSaucerAttack raises (210) to 210 FlyingSaucerAttack is all-In. jamesnora raises (390) to 390 CrazyGus folds. Telestic folds. sdox12 folds. Tongue37 folds. tsunami55 folds. shuschle folds. ** Dealing Flop ** : [ 7h, 4s, 5h ] ** Dealing Turn ** : [ 8c ] ** Dealing River ** : [ Qh ] Creating Main Pot with $525 with FlyingSaucerAttack ** Summary ** Main Pot: 525 | Side Pot 1: 180 Board: [ 7h 4s 5h 8c Qh ] jamesnora balance 475, bet 390, collected 180, lost -210 [ Jd Js ] [ a pair of jacks -- Qh,Jd,Js,8c,7h ] CrazyGus balance 710, didn't bet (folded) Telestic balance 650, didn't bet (folded) sdox12 balance 825, lost 15 (folded) Tongue37 balance 1392, lost 30 (folded) tsunami55 balance 875, lost 30 (folded) shuschle balance 565, lost 30 (folded) COOP1870 balance 323, didn't bet (folded) Nobodys_Slo balance 1660, didn't bet (folded) FlyingSaucerAttack balance 525, bet 210, collected 525, net +315 [ Ac As ] [ a pair of aces -- Ac,As,Qh,8c,7h ] ***** Hand History for Game 1244044328 ***** 30/60 TourneyTexasHTGameTable (NL) (Tournament 7565556) - Tue Nov 30 23:17:22 EST 2004 Table Table 17608 (Real Money) -- Seat 4 is the button Total number of players : 10 Seat 1: jamesnora (475) Seat 2: CrazyGus (710) Seat 3: Telestic (650) Seat 4: sdox12 (825) Seat 5: Tongue37 (1392) Seat 6: tsunami55 (875) Seat 7: shuschle (565) Seat 8: COOP1870 (323) Seat 9: Nobodys_Slo (1660) Seat 10: FlyingSaucerAttack (525) Tongue37 posts small blind (15) tsunami55 posts big blind (30) ** Dealing down cards ** Dealt to FlyingSaucerAttack [ Qd, Qs ] shuschle folds. COOP1870 folds. Nobodys_Slo folds. FlyingSaucerAttack raises (525) to 525 FlyingSaucerAttack is all-In. jamesnora folds. CrazyGus folds. Telestic folds. sdox12 folds. Tongue37 folds. tsunami55 folds. Creating Main Pot with $570 with FlyingSaucerAttack ** Summary ** Main Pot: 570 jamesnora balance 475, didn't bet (folded) CrazyGus balance 710, didn't bet (folded) Telestic balance 650, didn't bet (folded) sdox12 balance 825, didn't bet (folded) Tongue37 balance 1377, lost 15 (folded) tsunami55 balance 845, lost 30 (folded) shuschle balance 565, didn't bet (folded) COOP1870 balance 323, didn't bet (folded) Nobodys_Slo balance 1660, didn't bet (folded) FlyingSaucerAttack balance 570, bet 525, collected 570, net +45 [ Qd Qs ] [ a pair of queens -- Qd,Qs ] ***** Hand History for Game 1244047051 ***** 30/60 TourneyTexasHTGameTable (NL) (Tournament 7565556) - Tue Nov 30 23:17:55 EST 2004 Table Table 17608 (Real Money) -- Seat 5 is the button Total number of players : 10 Seat 1: jamesnora (475) Seat 2: CrazyGus (710) Seat 3: Telestic (650) Seat 4: sdox12 (825) Seat 5: Tongue37 (1377) Seat 6: tsunami55 (845) Seat 7: shuschle (565) Seat 8: COOP1870 (323) Seat 9: Nobodys_Slo (1660) Seat 10: FlyingSaucerAttack (570) tsunami55 posts small blind (15) shuschle posts big blind (30) ** Dealing down cards ** Dealt to FlyingSaucerAttack [ Ac, Ad ] COOP1870 folds. Nobodys_Slo folds. FlyingSaucerAttack raises (570) to 570 FlyingSaucerAttack is all-In. jamesnora folds. CrazyGus folds. Telestic folds. sdox12 folds. Tongue37 folds. tsunami55 folds. shuschle folds. Creating Main Pot with $615 with FlyingSaucerAttack ** Summary ** Main Pot: 615 jamesnora balance 475, didn't bet (folded) CrazyGus balance 710, didn't bet (folded) Telestic balance 650, didn't bet (folded) sdox12 balance 825, didn't bet (folded) Tongue37 balance 1377, didn't bet (folded) tsunami55 balance 830, lost 15 (folded) shuschle balance 535, lost 30 (folded) COOP1870 balance 323, didn't bet (folded) Nobodys_Slo balance 1660, didn't bet (folded) FlyingSaucerAttack balance 615, bet 570, collected 615, net +45 [ Ac Ad ] [ a pair of aces -- Ac,Ad ] |
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I don't think Party is rigged. You play a lot more hands within any given time frame (vs. a live game) and as a result see weird things more frequently. But I've never seen anything there I haven't seen elsewhere. AA vs. KK? Happened in my home tournament just a few weeks ago (my KK cracked his AA when I flopped trips). Flopped a flush? I won a home tournament on such a hand two months ago, and this past weekend I busted a guy out in the first orbit when I flopped a flush and he overbet his top pair. Lots of pocket pairs? At a six man game last week we had one hand with three pocket pairs in it, and two guys with queens and eights, respectively, ended up going all in against each other on it. It's statistically improbable but still quite possible. I have had a full house runner-runnered by a straight flush on Party... then a week later I had it happen at my house. I was beat by a guy with quads... in heads-up play. It's ridiculous, and that's poker. |
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| RHCNNN |
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For example, I had K5, the flop comes 777, everyone checks, next card come K so i havea full boat. I bet & get one caller. She had the other 7. Not that this is impossible. But it seems like they put the K out here on purpose.... and I don't mean to sound like a sore loser but this was after about 4 terrible beats already. In my last game I got dealt A10, and the flop comes A64. I bet and get two callers. The next card is an A. I bet again and they both call. They BOTH had A6. WTF? Another hand I flop a straight. 3-7. I bet & get one caller. a 2 comes up next. I beta gain and the guy goes all in. He gets a flush on the turn. Another hand I have something garbage but the flop give me top pair and an open ended straight. One guy calls me with AK and gets two running Aces I understand that these things can happen, but it seems a little suspicious when they happen back to back to back and I am getting extremely nice looking flops to lure me in. I feel like its their way of screwing me over because I cashed out my profit immediately. And I do play a lot of home games in regard to the otehr guy's suggestion. But oh well, I ended up +$10 so fuck party poker I got their $10. |
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| frands1 |
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| FlyingSaucy |
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This is what I am hearing you say: You: AT Opponent #1: A6 Opponent #2: A6 Board: A64A Count em. 5 Aces.
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| FlyingSaucy |
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looks like frands1 beat me to the punch. haha I shouldnt have spent so much time trynig to figure out the proper order of the letters rotflmfao. :P |
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| a500lbgorilla |
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A queen! Since you were in the pot with K5, I'm going to assume its limp. And if it's limp, others will be in it. 4 players to the flop: Flop is 777 checks Turn is a Q! Bet by one of the other two players who has QJ and called by quads river natta Quads wins! WTF!? Party poker put that Queen out to fuck me! It didn't fuck you or you, just me! Clearly it's out to get me. Assuming neither of the 3 of you have a pair in your hand and have no overlap (Becuase that would be party poker *really* fuggin you over) that's 6 cards or 18 "Fuck me" scenarios between the 3 of you. And that's not including runner runner Aces, Kings, Queens, Jacks, Tens, 9s (people might limp with 8s and down) making the board a boat and everyone figuring a split. Hell Party Poker is almost a *favorite* to win with 18 outs to the hard fuck and huge rake. So if you arn't making your unfoldable boat on the turn, chances are someone else probably will. Just happened to be you. Besides, go forbid you lose you pot stealing bet. Becuase that's what it was: A pot stealing bet. Anyone calling you is either splitting with you or beating you soundly. -'rilla |
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Smithers, use the amnesia ray. You mean the revolver, sir? Precisely.
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| RHCNNN |
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Guess I didn't think it out too well when recalling that one 
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| Fnord |
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| ShadySully |
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How do you know that half the people you are playing against don't work for PartyPoker? Maybe they're computer bots. Fact of the matter is you don't know anything for sure. Its big business and casino's always have the edge. The more Pocket pairs that are dealt, the types of flops that come down, the situations between players, all mean bigger pots, bigger rakes, more tournaments, and more money for PP. I'm not saying they're trying to screw anyone in particular. They're screwing everyone.  Not trying to be a d!ck here just being the Devil's Advocate. It would be nice to think I was dreaming it all but the difference in the dealing between Home games and PP seems to be night and day to me. Weird stuff happens in both all the time, just with more frequency at PP. Just an observation. Funny how so many people complain about PP being rigged but the complaints about other sites don't seem as common. |
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| Fnord |
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o Perfect audit trail when weird things happen o Stories + experience with the investigation team o Buisness incentive to provide an honest game, as to do otherwise would risk the long-term health of the buisness. o S&M have consulted to help write the collusion detection code. o In a B&M setting collusion is easy, difficult to detect and prove. Quote:
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| a500lbgorilla |
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How do we know we exist? Just take a step back and consider what you're saying. The rake is always taken, pots will get big on their own. And people complain about party poker becuase it is the largest and fishiest. More bad players = more crazy beats but also more dumb calls and more money in my pocket. We arn't the ones with the burden of proof here. You jumped out and said Party Poker is out to get me! And now you're telling *us* to prove you wrong. You've gotta prove yourself right. Email party poker and ask for the information on the audits. Call those comapnies, visit them, call non-rigged sites and see what companies audit them. Do something other than shoot out wack-job conspiracy theorys while you've got your thumb up your ass. Now, if you'll excuse me. I've got to go constantly look behind my back since there is always someone lurking in the shadows. -'rilla |
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Smithers, use the amnesia ray. You mean the revolver, sir? Precisely.
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| SteveO |
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Nope, it ain't rigged. However, I have seen the most bizzare stuff at Absolute over the last week. I hit quads twice in a row within 10 minutes at the same table. I have also been involved in or narrowly avoided set, over set over set situations on six separate occasions in less than 500 hands. Can't you recall the hands where you sucked out on an opponent? For every time my AA was cracked, I can think of another time where I've sucked out on somoene else. Poker karma. |
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Send lawyers, guns and money - the sh*t has hit the fan!
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| jmrogers7 |
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"The urge to gamble is so universal and it's practice is so pleasurable, that I assume it must be evil." - Heywood Broun
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| RHCNNN |
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| Well maybe I just experienced my first episode of tilt or something... The cards dealt did seem pretty weird, but I guess when your on the losing end it stands out way more. Either way I'm up $10 and I guess I can't deal with that type of shit yet.... so I closed my account. Oh well, home games for me. | ||||
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if anyone was to make the argument that PP was rigged would have to realize the following. 1. PP would not choose one player over another, even if by some odd reason they did, they are a multi billion dollar company and if one person caught evidence of that=huge lawsuit, they are not in it to loose money. 2. Ok, lets just for one second say that the cards are not totally random, the only reason why they would ever want two people to go all in is not because they choose one person over the other, its because they would want a bigger total pot so they can take more money out of the rake. People who work at PP make so much money anyways it would not be worth they're time to sit at the medium-small limit tables. It would be far more worth they're while to go to vegas and play the million dollar money games. 3. They would not want to wreck their reputation, the poker world is a huge empire and people would rather have a better rep. 4. The odds for a bad beat are far more likely to happen since you get to play so many hands, if in a regular home game you could, theoretically play 100 hands on a given game say in 3 hours, if you play the same 3 hours on the computer you could end up playing close to three hundred hands, thats 1-3. which equals more weird happenings. 5. would the Mike sexton really advertise something that is rigged??lol lol
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| FlyingSaucy |
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For those scientifically or medically minded people out there... Crazy bad beats are the equivalent of select case studies, whereas database and systems audits (and the subsequent statistical analysis on the data) are the equivalent of randomized controlled studies and the application of evidence-based medicine. ... Yet there are still people who believe vaccines are out to get them and their children. |
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{Moved from Tournament Tactics and Histories} These conspiracy theories are SO yesterday. |
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| Corey |
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I so want to say something wrong but I refrain... pray to your poker gods and pp will be a blessing. Dude pp isnt fixed! how many times do I need to say this. email there support and see where it gets u |
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I don't know why I'm even following up... But COME ON. You think Party is MAD at you for withdrawing cash? So they are going to lay bad beats on you so you'll get even MORE mad and think it's rigged and quit??? Would that be intelligent biz practices? Wouldn't, in fact, they do the EXACT opposite - they want pro players who play 10,000 hands/month! That's $$$$ for them! The reason this happens is actually obvious. When do you cash out? After a big long hot streak! You are, of course, going to regress to the mean after a hot streak of cards - which doesn't mean you will get more bad beats than average, but rather, an average number - which will SEEM like a disporportionatly large number, BECAUSE you just got off a hot run of cards! I mean, fine, bitch about bad beats - but really. |
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"The urge to gamble is so universal and it's practice is so pleasurable, that I assume it must be evil." - Heywood Broun
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| This happened about 2 weeks ago. I get dealt guy raises 4xbb on the nl50 I call. Flop J 3 6......Guy raises 8 I reraise to 16 he goes al in for like 25 more ....I call turn 8 river 8 he flips over his cards and has pocker 8s. Is this really possible in real life???? | ||||
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Post the hand history? And yes: Runner, runner two specific cards is a long shot 1:1980, I believe. But it'll still happen. Case and point: Home game. Hands are AA v A3. Flop is 33J and they both push. Turn A River 3 Though it wasn't one guy getting 2 specific runners to win it was a set of 2 specific runners that made for a memorable hand. -'rilla |
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Smithers, use the amnesia ray. You mean the revolver, sir? Precisely.
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| dar103 |
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I hate to feed this thread but this just kills me: Quote:
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Heres a little Anecdote. First time I played at Foxwoods: I sat down at a 10/20 limit hold em table. It was the only near-full table at the time so I sat down and bought in. In the first 3 hands I participated in (to the flop), I runner-runnered monster hands (straight, full house, and 3 of a kind respectively) to take the pot from the same guy who called me down every time. After the last set, he jumps up from the table and accuses the dealer of dealing from the bottom of the deck, and the guy next to me of signaling. I just laughed, put my sunglasses back on and continued to win... I didn't see him for the rest of the day. Point of the story: No matter where you play, theres always the skeptic who blames statistical fluctuations on foul play. In addition, the sheer volume difference in online play vs B&M play is reason enough to realize the abundancy of fluctuations. |
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I don't know what they have to say
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Is Party Poker fixed? I never knew it was broken. |
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| Corey |
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Keep Bitchen!!!!!! http://www.billrini.com/archives/001169.html HAHAHAHA |
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I don't know what they have to say
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| a500lbgorilla |
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So, did we lose? I hate being wrong. -'rilla |
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Smithers, use the amnesia ray. You mean the revolver, sir? Precisely.
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THE FIX In my opinion, PP is fixed. But it is so subtle, that even pros are fooled. Here's the fix: 1. They have "false" players...players that are actually computer bots generated by the Party Poker software. (Ask yourself, is there any way we could prove otherwise? And if so, would any of us go to the trouble of trying to verify this? If you answered no to both, which you probably did, believe that PP picked up on this human subltely as well.) 2. The bots are used on inexperienced players and not professionals. PP utilizes your win/loss record (and also probably has some heuristic on the way you bet given the cards that are dealt) to determine your level of experience, and thus whether or not you'd be someone who could detect an unusual percentage of bad beats (not only the percentage, but the way the bad beat actually went down; there is definitely context involved when deciding the legitimacy of a bad beat). 3. These inexperienced players eventually lose to a bot. They may win a few games here and there, but that's just to suck them in and further increase their addiction--it gives them a false sense of confidence that they know what they're doing. When these same players start losing time after time, they write it off to bad luck...after all, they were just doing well a little while ago. (FYI: And as any psychologist will tell you, Random Reward--which is the type of reward that gambling offers--is the best way to reinforce a behavior. This is why they let the inexperienced players win a few...to reinforce that player into continuing to play poker online.) 4. Most inexperienced players, however, blame themselves for the loss, and not the game being fixed. Why? Because, for example, they went all in when they had a flush queen high, yet lo and behold lost to another player who had the flush with king high. They should've known the king was looming out there and they should've been a little more cautious in their betting...and in realizing this, they blame themselves and don't even entertain the idea of a fix being in. 5. However, this is exactly how Party Poker plays with the minds of the inexperienced. They purposely deal out the cards in a way that gives inexperienced players an unrealistic sense of how good their hands are...which makes them bet big, and therefore lose quickly, and hence the sooner they have to re-deposit more cash into their PP accounts. WHY PARTY POKER DOES THIS Do I even need to say? I will though. Yes, they already make good money off the commission for each game played. But imagine the profits they'd make if their bots were doing all the winning from the rest of us...who then would they have to pay out to? That's right: no-one. All of our deposits now belong to their bots...they paid out to no one. Except of course the experienced players, who do not detect any of this going on...because it is not being done to them. After all, if you have experienced players vouching for the legitimacy of your poker site, what better way to convince those who know no better that your site is legitimate!? CONCLUSION...QUESTION Ask yourself...why does PartyPoker continue to remain unregulated? If they were legitimate, wouldn't they do everything possible to protect their reputation? I'm no business-rocket-scientist, but it seems the first thing you'd do to protect your rep (and draw in even more business) is to validate your trustworthiness. No better way to do that than to submit to a regulatory commission and inspections, and then post those results. The first online poker site that does this will be the first that we can all really trust. Again, these are my opinions based on my observations. If these observations have any validity, hopefully others who've noticed will chime in. The goal is to either boycott Party Poker into operating honestly and openly (ie, go for regulation and post the results), or put them out of business (which they probably deserve, however I know I'd miss it). |
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wtf? one post wonder omg rigged?! |
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Most poker sites are regulated, and their software is checked by a third party to insure that there's nothing underhanded going on. Even Party Poker does this: Quote:
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Yes, but I don't give that much legitimacy. What it would take...2, maybe 3 payoffs/bribes to the right folks in the Gibralter "government?" If they want Americans to trust, they need to offer regulation from an American c0mpany. (In fact, in researching this topic today, I just noticed that ParadisePoker supposedly is very good in regard to this. ) |
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bearcats05, No, I'm not happy. Sorry about your cat. |
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bearcats05, Try using Parental Controls. Your kittens should not be viewing this material. |
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I'm not sure if I've already made my standard post in this thread, so I'll do it anyway now. PartyPoker is not rigged, so stop crying and win. |
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Actually, any of you pros out there who do not believe this, test it: 1. Create a new account using a different name and address so that you cannot be linked to any existing account...you're a new fish as far as PP is concerned. 2. Play (for real money, not play money...play money is not rigged) very badly...establish a track record of irresponsible betting...and continue for about 4 or 5 weeks. 3. Then watch as your bad beats gradually become worse and more frequent. Keep track of everything dealth that you can see, and then compute the odds as time goes on. You'll start to notice that the odds of the bad beats that happened--and especially the way that they happened--the way that you were led by what was dealt--begin to exceed the expected odds for such unusual occurrences. That's the only way I'll believe someone who tells me it's not rigged. Because if you think it's not rigged, then you're one of the professionals I was referring to that is NOT being messed with by Party Poker. |
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Do a forum search for this topic and you will find underlying proof that no poker site on the face of the earth is rigged (I'm not going to waste my time typing it all out again). Major hint - Consider the risk vs reward a poker site face from rigging it. |
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It's not what's inside that counts. Have you seen what's inside?
Internal organs. And they're getting uglier by the minute. |
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