Originally Posted by ShadySully

Funny how so many people complain about PP being rigged but the complaints about other sites don't seem as common.

Originally Posted by ilikeaces86

This happened about 2 weeks ago. I get dealt guy raises 4xbb on the nl50 I call. Flop J 3 6......Guy raises 8 I reraise to 16 he goes al in for like 25 more ....I call turn 8 river 8 he flips over his cards and has pocker 8s. Is this really possible in real life????

Originally Posted by PokerDudeMan

Actually, any of you pros out there who do not believe this, test it:

1. Create a new account using a different name and address so that you cannot be linked to any existing account...you're a new fish as far as PP is concerned.

Originally Posted by PokerDudeMan

2. Play (for real money, not play money...play money is not rigged) very badly...establish a track record of irresponsible betting...and continue for about 4 or 5 weeks.

Originally Posted by PokerDudeMan

3. Then watch as your bad beats gradually become worse and more frequent. Keep track of everything dealth that you can see, and then compute the odds as time goes on. You'll start to notice that the odds of the bad beats that happened--and especially the way that they happened--the way that you were led by what was dealt--begin to exceed the expected odds for such unusual occurrences.

Originally Posted by PokerDudeMan

That's the only way I'll believe someone who tells me it's not rigged. Because if you think it's not rigged, then you're one of the professionals I was referring to that is NOT being messed with by Party Poker.

Originally Posted by maxbetty

Oboy, this is going to be a long post, but I need to get it out of my system, I absolutely dont think Party is rigged, they make many millions of dollars every day on the rake alone, so why would they rig the tables? this is redicilous! they could not afford to do such a thing, if something like that came out they'll be out of buisness, and I dont think they are willing take that risk, they are also the biggest pokersite in the world! a crummy newcomer site might do something like this, and they are the only one's with a reason to, it has happend before, but not a site big as party, I play there my self with a great profit and I have nothing bad to say about them, I have been reading this many times, the truth is, party is not rigged at all, but I can agree it might seem like it is many times when people keeps drawing out on your pocket aces, but lets face it, those thing happends in poker wether we like it or not, every time the table comes paired and with a possible flushdraw and maybe a possible straight draw, at the same time, people are screaming! THIS MUST BE RIGGED! but thats not true! these things happends in poker, I want you to test this- take a real deck of cards and deal it out on your table at home , then you'll se, the same thing happends? its, "rigged" the same way with both a flush and straight draws as it is on party poker, if people are drawing out on you, all the time, then it's not the pokersites fault, if you! for example are going to the river with AA with a possible flush on board and you still raising the guy who keeps betting in to you, maybe you think your aces are unbeatable, then your own bad play is causing this, then you gotto learn to read the players and learn when to fold, practise more, read more poker books

Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla

As a representative of Party Poker I have decided that this thread is too dangerous and will be deleted when I get the time.

Originally Posted by PokerDudeMan

a500lbgorilla,

"Dangerous" how?

Originally Posted by PokerDudeMan

Yep, exactly.

Here's an update to the bot theory: any online site can pull this off without getting caught, and can easily fool all of us (including the experienced players, who will tend to write loss off as bad beats vs. there being a fix):

1. You have 5 players to start with. All replenish their online poker accounts with $100. The poker site has now made $500 (this obviously does not include future payouts).

2. The first 4 lose to the 5th, and thus replenish their accounts for another $100. The poker site has now made $900. (NOTE: The 5th hasn't cashed in because...well...he's an online poker player and doesn't do that unless he's cashing in a few grand at a time.)

3. In the next game, the 5th loses everything, and one of the other 4 players wins everyone else's cash. Again, 4 more replenish their accounts for $100, except for the one who won. The poker site has now made $1300, yet hasn't paid anyone yet.

4. In the next game, now the previous winner loses, and one of the other losers wins from everyone.

... as you can see, if this pattern continues...no one will ever have to be paid by the online poker site.

It would be so very easy for a poker site to deal you the cards in a way where you lose bad beat after bad beat (and by the way, that's where the odds don't match up to reality; the bad beats that occur exceed the normal odds for those types of bad beats occurring) , but to do it at a time that fits into the above scenario. To do it in a way where you win some of the time (these are the times when you're the winner that I described above that's taking everyone else's cash), but lose the rest and are thus forced (because of your gambling addiction) to replenish your online account.


Again, how do they do it? How do they make you lose? By dealing the cards in a way where the odds say you should have the best hand, yet you get beaten on a bad beat after betting high. The poker site knew that you'd bet high based on your deal and the community cards...then you did, and you lost. And more similar bad beat multiple times in that same game. Defying any odds you'd could reasonably call "normal."


Think about that for a bit.

Originally Posted by PokerDudeMan

On a completely separate side note: has anybody investigated beatcat? We might have a Kitty serial killer on hand here.

PDM

Originally Posted by DaNutsInYoEye

The only thing more amusing than people complaining about a poker site being rigged is all the people that insist on proving to them that it's not.

Originally Posted by Tasha

Anyone who can show that it is rigged would make so much money that if were possible they would have done it already.

Originally Posted by Imthenewfish

60 years ago anyone who can come up with the common technology we have now would make so much money that if it were possible they would have done it already.. get it?

Originally Posted by Tasha

No. Do you?
If it were possible to show an inexplicable bias based on the statistics of hand results then someone would have done it already.
In addition to which, trying to keep something like that would be nearly impossible. Someone in the know would spill the beans.

Originally Posted by Rondavu

I hit two royals a day apart. Other than that I have no royals to speak of. It was rigged all but those two days in my opinion.