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Irisheyes
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07-25-2006, 01:17 PM
Post subject: Party Monster Jackpot tables?
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4-of-a-Kind
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Wtf is the deal with these?
And the tournaments too.
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I dont know...
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Warpe
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http://www.partypoker.com/monster/
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Irisheyes
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Thanks Warpe I looked for that but I couldn't find it. I'll get in with partypoints I suppose.
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Warpe
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wtf? They're everywhere. Anyone got a handle on the rake difference?
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Originally Posted by Warpe
wtf? They're everywhere. Anyone got a handle on the rake difference?
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Im thinking the same as the old jackpot tables maybe?
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midas06
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there's a good thread about this on 2p2. Basically if you're a low roller, then this is bad bad bad
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Warpe
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What effect does this have on the nl games?
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rofl
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Warpe
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gildwulf posted this calc:
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Hi VIP,
This is in response to your Party Monster promotion.
I just want to say that, as a high-volume player who plays more than 30k hands a month of mid-high limit poker, you are really screwing me over.
Some calculations on the effects of the game:
Say you play 6-max and win 16.66% of your hands. .5*16.66% = $8.33/100.
2/4 = 2.0825 BB/100
3/6 = 1.3883 BB/100
5/10 = .833 BB/100
10/20 = .4165 BB/100
15/30 = .2776 BB/100
Anything 2/4 and below is basically unbeatable now.
You have essentially alienated your high-volume players with this promotion. At a conservative estimate of making 1bb/100 hands four-tabling the 15/30 games, under the new structure you are demoting my pay from $120/hr to $86/hr. Do you realize how drastic this is? This will cost me thousands of dollars a month if I continue to play here.
I will now be taking my business to Stars until this ridiculousness is resolved.
Sincerely,
GW
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Hmmm, now u guys really need pp rb....
But seriosuly, wtf is party thinking?
Oya $$$$$$$$
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midas06
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cashing in before it's illegal
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07-26-2006, 02:01 AM
Post subject: ARRGGGGGGGGGGHHHHH
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I am a (or was) a 100nl 6max player at party poker. I currently win at 6BB/100 or so. I estimated I would lose $4-5 hour per table essentially cutting my winrate in half. Thus I wouldbe better off to switch to 50NL. 1/3 of my profits are going to the monster jackpot rake along with the 1/3 for the current 5% rake. ARGH. Anyone know a good site with soft six max games that is compatible with poker tracker and hud (or similar). I think I try to clear my absurd bonus at titan poker and start withdrawing my 7k thats in party. I also think that the non monster tables are going to become more shark infested and tougher to beat at party poker since there is so few of them as the sharks or good players will flock to them.
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Yes... this is ridiculous, there are hardly any regular tables! OTOH, i may try a crack at the tourney
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Warpe
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Found a great way to filter out the Monster tables...sort by "Wait" 
Way I figure it, the fish that don't know any better will go to the Monster tables and those of us who are rake averse will go to the normal tables and end up playing each other.
This is not good.
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Warpe
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Originally Posted by midas06
there's a good thread about this on 2p2. Basically if you're a low roller, then this is bad bad bad
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linky:
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...6668710&page=0
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Originally Posted by Warpe
Found a great way to filter out the Monster tables...sort by "Wait"
Way I figure it, the fish that don't know any better will go to the Monster tables and those of us who are rake averse will go to the normal tables and end up playing each other.
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It might not be as bad as it seems right now. Fish understand rake better than we're giving them credit for.
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Party sucks.
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Wow, that is a complete rip!
This is what the situation is for STT's:
Say you buy in for $5+0.50...
Winner takes $10
2nd takes $3
3rd takes $2
And the rest of the pool goes to the "Monster"
WTF???
What is the point of ripping off paying customers, to fund a freeroll? I hope they decide that the prize pool has enough $ soon... like NOW
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midas said it imo, pary are going for the increased rake b4 it gets illegal and 70% of their clientelle cant gambOOl anymore.
Otherwise, looks like bonus whoring just became the big thing again. No longer more +ev to play small stakes games at party rather than bonus whore.
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bluey
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this is cutting my hourly rate in half. im moving at least for a bit.
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BR: $.1k
Goal 2: July 1 $10k
IIbeatsUU: lol u raised with that?
you mini raised, therefore you desereve whatever you get....
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bluey
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Originally Posted by Triptan3s
Hmmm, now u guys really need pp rb....
But seriosuly, wtf is party thinking?
Oya $$$$$$$$
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the extra rake they are taking wont come back in rb.
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BR: $.1k
Goal 2: July 1 $10k
IIbeatsUU: lol u raised with that?
you mini raised, therefore you desereve whatever you get....
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just to chime in -- this blows my ass. party let me down big time. on top of the ridiculous rake, that goddamn sliding rectangle that displays the current jackpot size or whatever the fuck is probably the single most annoying thing i've seen in any poker software. and I've played on b2b where their java software randomly shuts down and makes my AIM blink like crazy, fast enough to cause epileptics to froth at the mouth.
Honestly it took me about 3 seconds to hate the living shit out of that thing.
but all is not lost.
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Originally Posted by Warpe
Way I figure it, the fish that don't know any better will go to the Monster tables and those of us who are rake averse will go to the normal tables and end up playing each other.
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this is logical, but tonight's +3 buyin session at 200NL exposed some seriously donkish characters. In the long run there might be a slight decrease in profitability but I'm not worried about it. What I AM somewhat concerned about is midas' comment ... man don't even say that, it's too scary to contemplate.
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AWOL.
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Originally Posted by bluey
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Originally Posted by Triptan3s
Hmmm, now u guys really need pp rb....
But seriosuly, wtf is party thinking?
Oya $$$$$$$$
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the extra rake they are taking wont come back in rb. |
he means to offset the loss due to donk-rake.
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AWOL.
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ItDepends
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Ok, you guys are missing 2 things. At high jackpot $$$$, you have POSITIVE equity considering the jackpot equity. The fish are flocking at the mid stakes tables, making average pots go way up.
Wait 1-2 weeks to see how it really affects the games, it isn't as bad as most people are saying.
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Obv ItDepends is correct. Think long long long run. You guy still need pp rakeback, because its out there if you want it. This monster jackpot thing will cause more fish to play, pos equity. In two weeks party will still have more cah game players by about 3k at peak hours, ty.
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Nehmer
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I don't understand why everybody is making such a big deal about this....All they did was rename the bad beat jackpot tables and make it so that you have to filter them out on the main screen. They have the filter set up anyway, so it doesn't really change anything. If you didn't play the bad beat tables before, then just don't start now...
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I never thought I would leave partypoker.
Guess I was wrong. So do they not realize that I pay them 5k a month to play?
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natdang
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There are fewer regular games, and more of this monster crap
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Warpe
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Filtering by avg pot at $100NL this morning, the highest regular table had an avg pot of ~$26, while most of them are <$15. Monster tables, highest avg pot ~$48 and at least half of them are >$15, with a lot in the >$20, >$30 range. I played some 6-max Monster and it was incredibly soft.
I think I'm starting to like the idea of putting fish food in the tank. Let's see how it settles out.
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Well, I'll be leaving Party until this is changed. Playing NL100 is just stupid now. The rake has basicly gone up 50% if you look at the average pot.
Average pot is about $20 on the tables I play, that's $1 rake/pot before this Monster crap, now it's $1.5
Prima with rakeback, here I come.
Edit: Well, prima full ring NL100 wont work either since there are no tables running.
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Sorry guys but I had to steal this quote from 2+2:
He did the math,
He did the monster math.
If that hasn't got the song stuck in your head then check the link below.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FNf0T...monster%20mash
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Warpe
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Originally Posted by Nehmer
I don't understand why everybody is making such a big deal about this....All they did was rename the bad beat jackpot tables and make it so that you have to filter them out on the main screen.
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That's not how I understand it. The money they're taking is to supply $$$ to a different promotion all together, not to be redistributed to the players on the tables it's being taken from.
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It's not what's inside that counts. Have you seen what's inside?
Internal organs. And they're getting uglier by the minute.
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zook
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Originally Posted by Nehmer
I don't understand why everybody is making such a big deal about this....All they did was rename the bad beat jackpot tables and make it so that you have to filter them out on the main screen.
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That's not how I understand it. |
Me neither. Right now there aren't that many non-monster tables at 100 & 200NL and I can't imagine the fish are going to play at them when there are lots more monster tables with JACKPOTS available. It makes sense to follow the fish, but the monster tables take an extra $0.50 out of every pot above $5, which is almost every pot that sees a flop at 200NL and most at 100NL. (It sounds like they're not doing monster tables for 25 or 50NL ). Of this extra fifty cents, thirty-five cents goes to the bad beat jackpot (every monster table is a bbj table) and fifteen cents goes toward the monster "freerolls", neither of which I want to pay for. In the smallest pot ($5) this amounts to a 200% increase in rake and in the largest a 16% increase. There have been various calculations done in the 2+2 thread, but it will definitely affect your winrate. Unless of course the monster tables attract enough fish to compensate. I withdrew my roll from Party and am going to way to see how things pan out before re-depositing.
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Warpe
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In the long run, I don't think the tables won't be any fishier than before. Not all fish will play at Monster tables and not all of the decent players will follow the fish, so all in all I can't see it panning out to be any different - 'cept the rake is higher.
I'm out, looking for a good PT/PAHUD compatible room with rakeback.
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zook
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I'm out, looking for a good PT/PAHUD compatible room with rakeback.
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Irisheyes
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Originally Posted by spino1i on 2p2
Called CS to confirm this:
For NL, it appears whenever the pot reaches 5$ (and the normal rake is .25$), they start the monster jackpot drop of .50 cents (flat). This happens at ALL stakes, including even 25 NL when it gets set up.
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zook
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Originally Posted by Irisheyes
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Originally Posted by spino1i on 2p2
Called CS to confirm this:
For NL, it appears whenever the pot reaches 5$ (and the normal rake is .25$), they start the monster jackpot drop of .50 cents (flat). This happens at ALL stakes, including even 25 NL when it gets set up.
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Contradictory 2+2 post:
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Originally Posted by Jehaim on 2+2
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is this going to affect the NL 25 and 50 tables? They are all still "normal" as of this moment.
No, they will not have Monster tables.
That's what Party said in an email.
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Couldn't find the Party e-mail on the thread though. That thing is long.
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Nehmer
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Originally Posted by zook
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Originally Posted by Rondavu
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Originally Posted by Nehmer
I don't understand why everybody is making such a big deal about this....All they did was rename the bad beat jackpot tables and make it so that you have to filter them out on the main screen.
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That's not how I understand it. |
Me neither. Right now there aren't that many non-monster tables at 100 & 200NL and I can't imagine the fish are going to play at them when there are lots more monster tables with JACKPOTS available. It makes sense to follow the fish, but the monster tables take an extra $0.50 out of every pot above $5, which is almost every pot that sees a flop at 200NL and most at 100NL. (It sounds like they're not doing monster tables for 25 or 50NL ). Of this extra fifty cents, thirty-five cents goes to the bad beat jackpot (every monster table is a bbj table) and fifteen cents goes toward the monster "freerolls", neither of which I want to pay for. In the smallest pot ($5) this amounts to a 200% increase in rake and in the largest a 16% increase. There have been various calculations done in the 2+2 thread, but it will definitely affect your winrate. Unless of course the monster tables attract enough fish to compensate. I withdrew my roll from Party and am going to way to see how things pan out before re-depositing. |
This is really no different from how the Bad Beat Jackpot tables were before, except now 15 cents goes to the Monster Jackpot instead of them having an administrative fee for the bad beat jackpot. I don't know if they maybe didn't have NL Bad Beat tables at all before this, but for us limit players it really isn't any different except that more people are playing the Monster tables right now, which means a few less regular tables. I can't really imagine that this will keep up, since it is in fact the players and not Party Poker that decide which tables fill up. Once the normal people realize the Monster promotion isn't very cool at all, they'll go back to the regular tables and there will be a sharp decline in the number of Monster tables. The Monster qualifying tournaments obviously suck, but they don't really affect anything anyway. It does seem kind of stupid of them to mix the monster tables in with the regular tables, but in the end, I really don't think it will make any difference. Bad Beat tables have always been a losing prospect to play at and they still are, just gotta wait for the popularity to die back down.
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midas06
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exactly Nehmer. I overreacted yesterday, as did many others.
It's not too big of a deal
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zook
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I dunno. At this very moment there are exactly 5 regular 100NL tables and 8 regular 200NL tables at Party. Hopefully the Monster popularity will decline, but I'm not re-depositing at Party until it does.
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