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IowaSkinsFan
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08-03-2005, 04:44 PM
Post subject: Is Paradise Poker rigged
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Straight Flush
Join Date: Oct 2004
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I mean seriously. Everyone talks about it on the site, and there are incredibly ridiculous hands that go on. Should i consider moving to a new site, it seems like i go on unlucky streaks and then lucky streaks. and it would make sense that they would give everyone bad beats to put people on tilt.
Am i just crazy or should i consider moving to a new site.
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Muxy
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4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Apr 2005
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Online poker is not rigged.
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Galapogos
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4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Jun 2005
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Every site talks about how they're rigged. That's how crappy players convince themselves they're not crappy. Seriosuly, think about this: How complex would the operating program be to tilt you and give you cards again just to tilt you again. And then do this for every single player out there? From a programming standpoint, it would be pretty hard to program an AI that would give you bad cards at such random times instead of set times... hey wait a minute. Cards are a random game... I wonder if there's some connection between that and the fact that an early favorite hand doesn't always win... hmmmmm
Not only that, when was the last time you heard a really experienced player or a really good player complain about it being rigged?
Here's the best thing to do: Go home, get a deck of cards, and start dealing yourself a game. See how rigged that feels. Same crazy rivers, same second best hands etc.
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Galapogos
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4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Jun 2005
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One more thing, notice how tourneys seem just as "rigged"? What possible purpose could that serve? You pay off the site at the very beginning. No rake to juice up.
Okay I'm done.
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biondino
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08-03-2005, 05:23 PM
Post subject: Re: Is [url=http://www.flopturnriver.com/Referrals/Para-dise
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4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Putney, UK; Full Tilt,Mansion; $50 NL and PL; $13 and $16 SNGs at Stars
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Originally Posted by IowaSkinsFan
it seems like i go on unlucky streaks and then lucky streaks.
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Toss a coin - let's say you win every time it's heads. Now toss the coin 1,000 times. Hey, whaddaya know - it came out heads SIX TIMES IN A ROW on no less than three occasions! You're the best tosser ever! But what's this - oh no, SEVEN tails in a row!! What the... this coin must be rigged!
(if you don't understand what "random" actually means then I really, really want to play you sometime.)
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Staple Gun
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Full House
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LOCK THIS THREAD
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Seasider
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Flush
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Bangor UK
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I've played Paradise for about a year and a half now, it's def not rigged. Tho sometimes I joke about it in chat to make me look all fishy!
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edudlive
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Full House
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: 100NL 6max
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Do this.
Get a deck of cards and sit down at your kitchen table. Deal out 10 hands, assume no one folds preflop. Now, watch the flop and see who is ahead and behind. Deal the turn, see who is ahead and behind. Deal the River, see who is ahead and behind. Keep notes.
Do that for 1-2 hours (remember 2x the hands are played online compared to real life) and you'll notice some pretty bad beats (and plenty of them!) (I saw trip Aces lose to a Runner Runner Royal Flush yesterday doing this).
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PokerPatNEU
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Full House
Join Date: Mar 2005
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Rigging an online poker room would be way way way too risky for the company. There are statistical analysis like confidence intervals that someone with a lot of time on their hands could preform and all but prove that its rigged, if it actually was. Get a ton of people to donate millions of hand histories, if an 80% pre flop favorite only wins 70% of the time, you can make a statement like "If this was NOT rigged, that would only happen .000001% of the time." Essentially proving the riggedness. Theres no point for paradise or anyone else to risk it, they are making a killing as it is.
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Eric
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Paradise is not rigged. This thread should not be in Hold' em Strategies. In fact it shouldn't be anywhere except the Recycle Bin.
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Laeelin
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Full House
Join Date: Jan 2005
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MTT final table.
You VS Jesus
It's heads up. You have KJ.
Jesus raises, you call
Flop AJA
Hands that beat you: Ax, QQ, KK, AA
check, Jesus raises, you call
Turn A
Hands that beat you: Ax, QQ, KK
check, Jesus raises, you call
River K
Hands that beat you: Ax
So if your the one with KJ, you know that exactly one card can beat you... The last Ace.
If that hand was online, people would say that it's proof that the site is rigged.
This was at a 2005 World Series of Poker circut final table..
Chris "Jesus" Ferguson VS. P. Friedman
Bad beats happen.
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edudlive
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Full House
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nevermind
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heatman
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Flush
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Hey,
I haven't posted in awhile, but I kind of wanted to see what people were saying about that hand and how Spirit Rock played it. You can say what you want about calling down with KJ and AAJ on the board, after Jesus raised and bet strong on every round, but its not a bad beat when he started with the Ace.
That was just a tough hand. Friedman's hand just kept getting good enough to keep calling, and I don't see how he can throw it away pre-flop.
Heat
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"Limit poker is a science, but no-limit is an art..."
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Laeelin
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Full House
Join Date: Jan 2005
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Originally Posted by heatman
Hey,
I haven't posted in awhile, but I kind of wanted to see what people were saying about that hand and how Spirit Rock played it. You can say what you want about calling down with KJ and AAJ on the board, after Jesus raised and bet strong on every round, but its not a bad beat when he started with the Ace.
That was just a tough hand. Friedman's hand just kept getting good enough to keep calling, and I don't see how he can throw it away pre-flop.
Heat
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Yeah, I feld so bad for him... His play looked good all the way down to me(for HU anyway)...
Everytime he could get away from his hand it got better...
I'm impressed that he didnt lose his entire stack that hand to be honest.
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IowaSkinsFan
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Straight Flush
Join Date: Oct 2004
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I'm sorry for making this post, i'm not a conspirasist, i did not mean it whatsoever. i got on a really bad run on it, it happens.
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jmontis
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Full House
Join Date: Dec 2004
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everyone's been there man, if you think you're mature enough to handle online poker then keep playing. Bad runs happen to everyone
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take your ego out of the equation and judge the situation dispassionately
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journey075
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Full House
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Quote:
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Originally Posted by IowaSkinsFan
I'm sorry for making this post, i'm not a conspirasist, i did not mean it whatsoever. i got on a really bad run on it, it happens.
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no need to apologize, im sure everybody has considered the idea  .
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Xianti
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{Moved from Hold'em Strategies}
This is crap. At some point, I'm going to start banning people that post "<blank> is rigged" threads. We've had enough of this in our forum. It needs to stop.
{Locked}
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