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TheMayor
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07-27-2006, 05:13 PM
Post subject: Monster Promotion...Good or Bad?
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Join Date: Jul 2006
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Since Party came out with the Monster promotion a few days ago, most of the concensus seems to be that everyone hates it. The cash game players are getting killed by an unfair rake increase when the majority of them hvae no desire to participate in the promotion. I can see where this would be annoying...But I am not a cash game player.
To me, this promo seems almost too good to be true for low limit tournament players. As someone who plays primarily 20$ SnGs with the ocassional 10$ and 20$ MTT, the opportunity (in terms of ROI) to basically "freeroll" by qualifying in some SNG's into some huge tournaments is a pretty significant.
For those who don't know, the promotion is set up in several tiers of qualifiers. By winning a Monster Qualifying SNG, placing high in a Monster MTT qualifier, or earning points on the Monster Jackpot tables gets you entry into a weekly 100k garunteed MTT.
Placing in the top 2000 in these weekly 100k's will get you a spot in the monthly 1 million dollar garunteed.
The top 1000 in each million dollar tournament earns an entry into the 5million+ dollar grand final. Party fronted 5 million for that tournament, the rest comes from taking a rake from all the monster qualifying tables, cash games and tournaments. The prize pool is already up over 5.2 million and its only the first week...It seems like we can reasonably expect this total to be in the 10 million+ range by the time the tournament comes around in may '07.
Long story short, for a small-ish investment for a medium stakes tournament player (I played eleven 10+1 SnGs and have won 4 seats into the weekly 100k's...Along with about 115$ in the SnG tournament prize pool that you win back besides your entry for first place) you get the opportunity to sattelite into a ton of cash potentially. I don't think making the top 2000 in the weekly's is going to be terribly difficult, with four entries i hope to make it into at least 1 or two of the monthly's. And with only 8 million per tournament, finishing in the top 1000 in those does not seem a terribly difficult task either.
I wanted to throw this out there and see what other tournament players are thinking about this promotion, because so far i'll i've heard on poker forums is negative feedback regarding them. What do you guys think?
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LimpinAintEZ
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i think you work for PartyPoker and are biased
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Nehmer
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The only reason it is bad is because Party Poker is set up now to automatically have you looking at the Monster tables and a surprisingly large number of players are too stupid to realize they even offer regular tables still which means there are way too many Monster tables running and not nearly enough regular tables. If they had kept the bad beat tables set up as their own tab out of the way down the list of available games, the Monster promotion would only be positive.
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WildBobAA
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4-of-a-Kind
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It's horrible for low limit players. The extra rake makes the lower limits unbeatable.
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DaNutsInYoEye
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When I first heard about the Monstrosity promotion on Porkyou Poker I was devestated. I saw all my profit being slowly drained away by the hand of Dikhead. How could this be? What could I do? How could I fight this deplorable rake?
For the past two days I have done nothing but think about this problem. I haven't slept. Besides a half a bag of Ramen, I haven't eaten. Even that I couldn't finish because I didn't have time for water and the crunching sounds kept making me lose my train of thought. Finally, sitting bleary eyed on my couch in a pile of my own hair that I've pulled out over the past few days, it hit me: Triptanes!
Triptanes and his generous Rakeback program was the answer to my prayers. Triptanes can be your answer too. Just remember: the more they rake, the more you get raked back. Triptanes FTW!
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TheXianti: (Triptanes) why are you not a thinking person?
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TheMayor
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Join Date: Jul 2006
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Originally Posted by WildBobAA
It's horrible for low limit players. The extra rake makes the lower limits unbeatable.
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Yeah i agree. For cash games 200NL and lower, the extra rake is a BB/100 killer for sure. I would not play a monster table cash game. But then, i rarely played normal cash games before this promotion.
For someone who plays 98% SnGs and MTTs, I don't see the bad side of this promotion.
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Irisheyes
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4-of-a-Kind
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Originally Posted by DaNutsInYoEye
When I first heard about the Monstrosity promotion on Porkyou Poker I was devestated. I saw all my profit being slowly drained away by the hand of Dikhead. How could this be? What could I do? How could I fight this deplorable rake?
For the past two days I have done nothing but think about this problem. I haven't slept. Besides a half a bag of Ramen, I haven't eaten. Even that I couldn't finish because I didn't have time for water and the crunching sounds kept making me lose my train of thought. Finally, sitting bleary eyed on my couch in a pile of my own hair that I've pulled out over the past few days, it hit me: Triptanes!
Triptanes and his generous Rakeback program was the answer to my prayers. Triptanes can be your answer too. Just remember: the more they rake, the more you get raked back. Triptanes FTW! |
Hahahahahahah!!!!lololo
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natdang
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Flush
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Like I said in another post... the sng's are a rip too
$5+0.50 buyin
$10 to winner
$3 to 2nd
$2 to 3rd
The rest of the prize pool? MONSTER JACKPOT BABY!
So in short, a total rip. I'm not giving up $ to get a buyin to a freeroll...
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midas06
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Originally Posted by DaNutsInYoEye
When I first heard about the Monstrosity promotion on Porkyou Poker I was devestated. I saw all my profit being slowly drained away by the hand of Dikhead. How could this be? What could I do? How could I fight this deplorable rake?
For the past two days I have done nothing but think about this problem. I haven't slept. Besides a half a bag of Ramen, I haven't eaten. Even that I couldn't finish because I didn't have time for water and the crunching sounds kept making me lose my train of thought. Finally, sitting bleary eyed on my couch in a pile of my own hair that I've pulled out over the past few days, it hit me: Triptanes!
Triptanes and his generous Rakeback program was the answer to my prayers. Triptanes can be your answer too. Just remember: the more they rake, the more you get raked back. Triptanes FTW! |
awesome
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bigred
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PROFESSIONAL TROLL
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I play at bodog. Players commit 24/7 with TP and there aren't many PT using camping nits.
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LOL OPERATIONS
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Al4As
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Straight
Join Date: Jan 2006
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I think we can safely say there is NO PT using camping nits at bodog.
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Miffed22001
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Straight Flush
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Originally Posted by Al4As
I think we can safely say there is NO PT using camping nits at bodog.
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besides me, figured my sn out yet guys? 
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Greedo017
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Full House
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while there is a lot of hope in this thread, sorry.
the money taken for the monster promotion is not rake. dikshit 5000000 danuts 0. edit: i wish i could find a source for this, but i can't, i'm pretty sure i read it though. and also, rakeback would just about cancel the extra money they're taking, but it is still gay, going to the trouble of getting rakeback just to not get raped horribly.
the monster tables are only bad in every single possible way. fish play on jackpot tables because they're fish. good players don't because the extra rake is devastating. this means either you play on the monstrosity tables with slightly worse players for horrendous rake or you play on rockier than usual normal tables. pwned by dikshit.
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i betcha that i got something you ain't got, that's called courage, it don't come from no liquor bottle, it ain't scotch
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natdang
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Flush
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Quote:
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Originally Posted by Miffed22001
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Originally Posted by Al4As
I think we can safely say there is NO PT using camping nits at bodog.
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besides me, figured my sn out yet guys? |
huh?
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Stripclubjunkie
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Full House
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Party has really gone and done it. F****d up. Right now there is only 1/2 nl "non monster" full ring. All highrollers/mediumroller should make a website and write pp to tell them how much rake they miss, +500.000$ a day(then they would get the drift)...
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lolzzz_321
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NO YOU
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Just get rb, it's like out there but you guys are too lazy. I got pissed when I had to change deposit methods, but like a $1k check at the end of the month is nice, enough for me to open anew account. Only 11 more months till it ends . Plus fishies are out in force.
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r8ed
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4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Jan 2005
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Originally Posted by Triptan3s
Just get rb, it's like out there but you guys are too lazy. I got pissed when I had to change deposit methods, but like a $1k check at the end of the month is nice, enough for me to open anew account. Only 11 more months till it ends . Plus fishies are out in force. |
I have 27% rb (is that good?), but as mentioned prior the extra rake doesn't go to the affiliate - so we will not see any of it. Or are you just pointing out rb will cover some of the $$ lost from the extra rake?
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lolzzz_321
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NO YOU
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rb will cover some of the $$$ lost from the extra rake, I want to see if peoples winrates go down too, esp in NL over a fair sample-size.If you don't have rb than this is just another reason to get it. 27% is a pretty good amt r8ed
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natdang
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Flush
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: Los Angeles
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What's the best % you've seen? Also, that sucks about monster, and how RB doesn't help get back the extra surcharge... it's still a worse deal even with RB.
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lolzzz_321
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NO YOU
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Location: My ice is polarized
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Originally Posted by natdang
... it's still a worse deal even with RB.
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Gotta work on that for the standardized test.
Best % I have seen is like 30% if you are super hi volume or are buddy buddy with your affiliate.
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lolzzz_321
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NO YOU
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Originally Posted by natdang
What's the best % you've seen? Also, that sucks about monster, and how RB doesn't help get back the extra surcharge... it's a better deal with RB.
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natdang
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Flush
Join Date: Nov 2005
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No, because the party "monster" promotion raises the rake - but gives none of the extra rake to either you or your affiliate. The extra from the increase goes to the "monster jackpot"
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lolzzz_321
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NO YOU
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Location: My ice is polarized
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Yeah, so get RB and try to ease the pain
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natdang
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Flush
Join Date: Nov 2005
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ya, i just meant that monster promotion is a worse deal for everyone, even those with RB. Am looking for an affiliate, though
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lolzzz_321
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NO YOU
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Email me Triptanes@gmail.com if you are looking for it.
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lolzzz_321
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NO YOU
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: My ice is polarized
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Agreed Monster Promotion sux
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r8ed
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4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Jan 2005
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Joined Ultimate Bet. Getting 28% rb and 100% upto $650 bonus. I withdrew all my money from Party and in the comments told them the Monster thing sucks. Right when they make a smart move and eliminate the skins, they go and do something stupid like this. I hope they realize lots of cash players will leave and stop the madness. It sucks because I jumped through some hoops to finally get RB there and had a nice groove going. Now I gotta jump around until I find a good site. UB seems OK - I'm not sure about the relative fishiness vs. Party.
I wonder if anyone  in this thread can get rb at party for other members....nobody seems willing to speak up...anyone? Oh well, gl all.
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ItDepends
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Straight
Join Date: May 2006
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I'm still not playing on the monster tables but:
You are forgetting the bbj equity. When the jackpot gets over $300k, you are actually even money with the rake at 400nl. The higher it goes you even GAIN equity. Obviously it isn't always high.
Also, the tables that are monster BBJ tables are extra fishy. If you are playing 200nl or higher, you probably can make up for the extra rake because of the fishy play (and longshot bbj equity). So honestly, unless you are playing 100nl, you have much less reason to complain. And if you are playing 100nl, just move to 50nl, and skip jump to 200nl when you have the roll.
In the end, you will not find a better site then party to play ring.
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midas06
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Originally Posted by ItDepends
I'm still not playing on the monster tables but:
You are forgetting the bbj equity. When the jackpot gets over $300k, you are actually even money with the rake at 400nl. The higher it goes you even GAIN equity. Obviously it isn't always high.
Also, the tables that are monster BBJ tables are extra fishy. If you are playing 200nl or higher, you probably can make up for the extra rake because of the fishy play (and longshot bbj equity). So honestly, unless you are playing 100nl, you have much less reason to complain. And if you are playing 100nl, just move to 50nl, and skip jump to 200nl when you have the roll.
In the end, you will not find a better site then party to play ring.
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