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SmackinYaUp
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05-06-2005, 03:52 PM
Post subject: Maybe the empire reload is one to skip
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4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Dec 2004
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I dont know what to think, its all just speculation. But here you go:
http://www.bonuswhores.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=9000
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...5&o=14&fpart=1
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Full House
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I fall to easily for conspiracy theories, so take this with a grain of salt....
We have had the advantage of linked knowlege about Party skin bonuses on FTR (or other sites) that I can seldom find on the skin itself until a day before, or the same day, the bonus starts. If they don't publish the bonus, this would be a very clever trick to expose the worst offenders.
But I doubt it. If you do the math, even when we are clearing bonuses the poker room makes money on rake. At 10x they make enough money that they can pay the bonus and pay affiliates too (for rakeback.) And if I were them, I wouldn't find bonus abusers like this, I would just check their negative value compare to their number of deposits. If there was multiple deposits AND negative value, I'd cut 'em. I wouldn't offer them one more bonus.
BUT please consider... there are other rooms that offer bonuses. 10x (in a week?) isn't much of an offer, and if we all bite on 10x offers, then we will see more 12x offers, and 20x offers, and fewer 5x and 7x offers. Ask yourself, at what point will you just go play at another room? I encourage you to vote with your feet and skip this one (unless you have rakeback there.)
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I'm a know-it-all.
No, really.
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Grand_MasterB
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Flush
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if everyone on this site contributed as much time to improving their game as they do to searching for bonus and talking about them... they probably would win more money that way...myself included!
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Legendash
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Full House
Join Date: May 2004
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Empire actually emailed me to tell me about this reload, i don't see how any bad could come of it.
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"[This theory] is only useful for helping to calculate your luck odds. If you have a good read that you have a numerical advantage against your opponent, that your hand is "luckier"..."
Copyright, Youngdro 2007.
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Cocco_Bill
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Full House
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Originally Posted by Legendash
Empire actually emailed me to tell me about this reload, i don't see how any bad could come of it.
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I read that they closed some accounts which received that same e-mail. Some are even claiming that they got substantial sums of money confiscated without any real explanation why.
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UG
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Originally Posted by Legendash
Empire actually emailed me to tell me about this reload, i don't see how any bad could come of it.
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That's a very good point. Why would they e-mail us about the promotion if they were going to ban us from the site if we used it?
That'd be like me inviting someone over to my house for a party and then kicking their ass for showing up.
That's just not right.
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Cocco_Bill
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Full House
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Originally Posted by Ultimate George
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Originally Posted by Legendash
Empire actually emailed me to tell me about this reload, i don't see how any bad could come of it.
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That's a very good point. Why would they e-mail us about the promotion if they were going to ban us from the site if we used it?
That'd be like me inviting someone over to my house for a party and then kicking their ass for showing up.
That's just not right. |
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...5&o=14&fpart=1
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Cocco_Bill
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Full House
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Sweden
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No way I am depositing anything into any Party skin before this blows over. I'll keep what I have at Eurobet as I know I am positive MGR for them. This whole ordeal is incredibly poorly handled by Empir.e poker and will probably do some long term damage to their credibility.
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dalai007
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Join Date: Nov 2004
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I had my entire BR at empire. thats where I play most of my sngs. I like the color scheme the best. I just pulled it all out just in case. Ill keep it in my epassporte account for safe keeping. Frozen account stories make me very uneasy.
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jmrogers7
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Full House
Join Date: Feb 2004
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Originally Posted by eeeee
BUT please consider... there are other rooms that offer bonuses. 10x (in a week?) isn't much of an offer, and if we all bite on 10x offers, then we will see more 12x offers, and 20x offers, and fewer 5x and 7x offers. Ask yourself, at what point will you just go play at another room? I encourage you to vote with your feet and skip this one (unless you have rakeback there.)
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For shame!
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"The urge to gamble is so universal and it's practice is so pleasurable, that I assume it must be evil." - Heywood Broun
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Legendash
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Full House
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Crypto 6max 100NL
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Hmm, well i just logged into my empire account with no problem. I've got this poker now reload to finish up and i'll probably deposit 200 in empire on tuesday and see what happens. If they did pull some funny shit i can imagine i could tell a lot of people very quickly. Still it's not the best bonus i've yet seen and i've got work and a poker stars bonus to play so i'm not desperate. Also i note interpoker have introduced smaller limits so i might start picking up their 90 a month bonuses as well.
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"[This theory] is only useful for helping to calculate your luck odds. If you have a good read that you have a numerical advantage against your opponent, that your hand is "luckier"..."
Copyright, Youngdro 2007.
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Legendash
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Full House
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Crypto 6max 100NL
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Don't you feel this whole episode shows that pokerstars are ahead of the game with a personal presence behind their customer service, ie Lee Jones. Empire/Party have such shitty customer service, i HATE the pre generated responses they always send you regardless of what you write, if they get rid of bonuses as well they are going to lose their number one spot quite quickly.
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"[This theory] is only useful for helping to calculate your luck odds. If you have a good read that you have a numerical advantage against your opponent, that your hand is "luckier"..."
Copyright, Youngdro 2007.
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Full House
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Originally Posted by jmrogers7
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Originally Posted by eeeee
BUT please consider... there are other rooms that offer bonuses. 10x (in a week?) isn't much of an offer, and if we all bite on 10x offers, then we will see more 12x offers, and 20x offers, and fewer 5x and 7x offers. Ask yourself, at what point will you just go play at another room? I encourage you to vote with your feet and skip this one (unless you have rakeback there.)
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For shame! |
????? Why shame? Just healthy paranoia. Let me ask this:- Have Party skin play requirements on bonuses gotten longer or shorter?
Have other, non-Party skin pokerrooms' play requirements on bonuses gotten longer or shorter?
Have you noticed the buzz about newer rooms that offer unique bonuses?
As online poker growth begins to plateau, what kind of room will survive, and which ones will you frequent?
The poker boom is allowing all sorts of rooms to enter the market, and early-boom rooms are well positioned to shape the preferences of new customers entering the market. As rooms saturate the market, and new signups drop off, competition will cause some rooms to become less scrupulous, or to otherwise tighten the purse strings. I will argue that the savvy player, the discriminating shopper, will keep generous rooms going, and that the rooms that keep "changing the deal" in their favor will not do as well. The process, the message, may as well start now.
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I'm a know-it-all.
No, really.
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TylerK
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4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Oct 2004
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Someone summarize this controversy for me, this is too much to read.
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TylerK: its just gambling if i want to worry about money i'll go to work lol
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Full House
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Originally Posted by TylerK
Someone summarize this controversy for me, this is too much to read.
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Summary -- Conspiracy theory that Empire is using this unusual reload to trap bonus whores and cancel their accts.
Support? -- a handful of blocked accounts mentioned at 2+2 & BW's
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I'm a know-it-all.
No, really.
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jmrogers7
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Full House
Join Date: Feb 2004
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Originally Posted by eeeee
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Originally Posted by jmrogers7
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Originally Posted by eeeee
BUT please consider... there are other rooms that offer bonuses. 10x (in a week?) isn't much of an offer, and if we all bite on 10x offers, then we will see more 12x offers, and 20x offers, and fewer 5x and 7x offers. Ask yourself, at what point will you just go play at another room? I encourage you to vote with your feet and skip this one (unless you have rakeback there.)
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For shame! |
????? Why shame? Just healthy paranoia. Let me ask this: - Have Party skin play requirements on bonuses gotten longer or shorter?
Have other, non-Party skin pokerrooms' play requirements on bonuses gotten longer or shorter?
Have you noticed the buzz about newer rooms that offer unique bonuses?
As online poker growth begins to plateau, what kind of room will survive, and which ones will you frequent?
The poker boom is allowing all sorts of rooms to enter the market, and early-boom rooms are well positioned to shape the preferences of new customers entering the market. As rooms saturate the market, and new signups drop off, competition will cause some rooms to become less scrupulous, or to otherwise tighten the purse strings. I will argue that the savvy player, the discriminating shopper, will keep generous rooms going, and that the rooms that keep "changing the deal" in their favor will not do as well. The process, the message, may as well start now. |
My point was just that free money is free money. I will continue to whore Party/Skins bonuses as long as they are offered because they are the easiest to clear in my opinion of any current poker room. When that changes I wll change my tune, but not before.
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"The urge to gamble is so universal and it's practice is so pleasurable, that I assume it must be evil." - Heywood Broun
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Full House
Join Date: Jan 2005
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Originally Posted by jmrogers7
My point was just that free money is free money. I will continue to whore Party/Skins bonuses as long as they are offered because they are the easiest to clear in my opinion of any current poker room. When that changes I wll change my tune, but not before.
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A good attitude 
Sorry for the rant. You are right. I've hardly put a dent in my PS bonus.
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I'm a know-it-all.
No, really.
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Pizzaman
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Join Date: Feb 2005
Posts: 73
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Let the conspiracy theory die. i deposited my 200 and got my free hondo, no problem. Empire account is working fine. Whore away. 
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God Bless America
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