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Les_Worm
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08-10-2004, 03:26 PM
Post subject: I can't find a home
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4-of-a-Kind
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I've been jumping around from site to site, bonus whoring and playing differnet games. I had been winning pretty consistantly but now that the bonuses are cleared and I'm sitting on a solid bankroll, I need to pick a site to call home. Where do you guys suggest I play? Consider I play LIMIT holdem. I do play NL tourneys, just not ring games. Let me know where you think I should play and why. I stick to the tables between 1/2 and 3/6.
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KewlKatt
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PStars has by far the best MTT's IMO.
Good player like yourself should do well in the $10 nightlies, I can make it to 2nd and 3rd breaks fairly consistently and I'm only a fair player at this point. Just give yourself a limit to the rebuys your willing to spend. I never spend over $30 for this tourney. You run into the same people fairly often in this tourney, so Ptracker is a really helpful here. The payout seems to be much better than other sites hosting the same level of MTT.
SnG's arn't very tough on stars either, most of the time your down from 9-5 players withen the first few rounds. Even the 2 table SnGs seem to collapse rather quickly to one table.
I havn't had any success with the Ring games at Stars however. But I presume that's because I'm too loose/aggr of a player against the rocks found on stars and no where near ready for the 2/4 limit level.
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scgolfer
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Well Knish, I was really doing the same thing in June. I play a combo of 1/2, 2/4, 3/6, occasional 5/10. I also play an occasional ring NL. And play quite a few Sng's ($10-$30).
I have been profitable @ Paradise and Party. Not as much at Pokerstars and Ultimate Bet. I have done fairly well at Sng's at all of the sites. But limit seems to be less "fishy" at Pokerstars and UB. I use pokertracker and find that worse players are at Paradise and Party. The only problem with Party is that they have so many people at there site most of time I have no previous play info on anyone at my table. I really try to find 2-4 bad players at a table and the others at least decent.
I also played Absolute and Pacific, which do not have enough players to guarantee you can find a "good" table. I have played over 25,000 ring game hands since June, and these are the conclusions I have came too.
Hope it helps!
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Fnord
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.5/1, 2/4 and 3/6 at Party. Big fish bowl. Assume any given player is loose/bad until proven otherwise and you'll do fine.
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Originally Posted by scgolfer
The only problem with Party is that they have so many people at there site most of time I have no previous play info on anyone at my table. I really try to find 2-4 bad players at a table and the others at least decent.
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OMG! So many bad players, I need to move to PokerSharks so I don't get sucked out on so much. Seriously, there are a dozen or two so Sharks on Party playing at your limit at any given point. Identify and avoid them. From there it's just a matter of figuring out what particular disfunction a given player has. Although, ABC Poker works well enough that even that is optional.
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scgolfer
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Fnord, Do avoid playing with any shark at your table, or do play with them and avoid any tough confrontation with them? I imagine since you play Party(many tables) you just avoid the table with any shark, Right?
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Fnord
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Originally Posted by scgolfer
Fnord, Do avoid playing with any shark at your table, or do play with them and avoid any tough confrontation with them? I imagine since you play Party(many tables) you just avoid the table with any shark, Right?
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Both. Mostly I'm looking for multi-table rocks. However, they seek out the same tables, so there is often a couple mixed in with the fish. Steal their blinds (unless they're really good) and get the hell out of the way when they raise unless you have AQs or better (then 3-bet them.)
edit: Unless I'm comming in behind other cold callers, then I'll cold call with any 2 suited broadway or maybe even a pocket pair.
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scgolfer
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Good to hear because that is what I have been doing, If you dont mind what is your PT Aggression number? You are playing mostly 9 man tables, right? I still think I am not aggressive enough preflop and flop, and it is costing me an occasional bets. If I lose a hand, putting bets in early, they are cheaper and give you much more information about others hands. Those are the main reasons for early aggression, other than making a pot bigger when you have a good hand. Is that a decent synopsis?
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Fnord
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I'll post my numbers when I get back home from work. Over the last month I've been more aggressive on the river.
I think it's something like flop: 2.5 turn: 1.5 river: 1
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scgolfer
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Also , What PT stats would you consider someone who is a shark, to have? Such 15% flops seen, preflop raises (20%) of same?
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Fnord
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For 2/4:
Rock: 12% or less VP$IP, 6% or less PFR
Shark: 15-20% VP$IP, 7-10% PFR
For what it's worth, I'm at around
19-20% VP$IP 9% PFR
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scgolfer
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Glad to hear that as well, because those are the numbers I use to determine opponents strength. Boy, I must be getting good. hehe
After starting very loose/ passive, I am around 23% Flops/ preflop raising 8% thru about 25,000 hands.
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robe43
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Has anyone thought of writing a Poker Tracker article?
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koolmoe
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Originally Posted by Fnord
For 2/4:
Rock: 12% or less VP$IP, 6% or less PFR
Shark: 15-20% VP$IP, 7-10% PFR
For what it's worth, I'm at around
19-20% VP$IP 9% PFR
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Interesting. I'm at about 22% VP$IP and 10% PFR. Perhaps I should be dropping more offsuit broadway holdings?
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scgolfer
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Toasty has written a couple based upon using PT while playing using the Game Time feature. But I would love to hear one about which are the most important numbers we should be looking at, besides the Volume put in, and preflop raising, and aggression factor.
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Fnord
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Originally Posted by koolmoe
Interesting. I'm at about 22% VP$IP and 10% PFR. Perhaps I should be dropping more offsuit broadway holdings?
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It depends on the game texture. Although for the most part offsuit hands like KJ QJ KT QT JT should only be played with an open raise or 1-2 loose limper trap from late position since they play like ass in multi-pots or against a raise. If you're going to be dominated, be suited.
I've been actually working on tightening up outside of my blinds and SSH has given me some great guidelines for playing my SB/BB. I figure I should be at around 17-18% VP$IP. For the most part, outside of med/small pocket pairs and such, if I'm playing a hand I'm playing it hard and not letting go very easily.
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koolmoe
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Originally Posted by Fnord
I've been actually working on tightening up outside of my blinds and SSH has given me some great guidelines for playing my SB/BB. |
Cool. I just got SSH this weekend. So far, nothing monumental, but I still have a lot of reading left to do. One thing I've noticed is that it is vastly superior in terms of clarity of writing than your typical 2+2 publication (not that they're that bad). Don't know if that's Ed Miller or Dr. Al (who is acknowledged for reviewing the manuscript in the introduction, I think?), but it's been fun reading so far.
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Toasty
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"Middle Limit Holdem by Jim Bryer and Bob Ciaffone" is a good read. The hand quizzies are excellent practice I might begin posting a couple with a link to the book.
xanti: Want me to write a review so you can add a link from the site ?
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