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daeyeth
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10-09-2009, 08:52 AM
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Join Date: Jun 2009
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How hard would it be for an average poker player to grind to 1k from 60$, starting out on micro tables, and how long would it take? Or to a couple hundred?
Is it possible? I know that having a mindset of "I just wanna make as much money as possible" is bad but I mean, if I'm able to restrain myself, have a lot of patience, and play micro tables, technically wouldn't grinding from 60$ to 1k be possible even for an average player? It'll just take me a long time right?
.....or would is this a naive amateur's dream and I should know that I'll probably blow the 60$? That really is all my, ahem, bankroll btw, I'm being serious. Broke college student here; it's either try my luck with this or just smoke it up. I wanna know how unrealistic or realistic this grind would be.
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dranger7070
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4-of-a-Kind
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Oh, it most certainly can be done. Here's three stories (myself and two good friends of mine) that all started with $50 or less and have since turned it into 1k+. (One of us is even at 100nl now with a 5k+ roll.) All in under a year. And I took 3 months off during the summer for boot camp.
Micro2Macro's story from 2nl to 25nl: http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...te-t81951.html
My own story from 2nl-25nl: http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...te-t78573.html
BooG690's story from 2nl-whenever: http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...rz-t82855.html
Hope these give you some inspiration to that it CAN be done. I was a broke ass college student last year too lolz. (I'm still broke, but now I haz a hobby where I can make monies too.  )
Good Luck!
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daven
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10-09-2009, 11:30 AM
Post subject: Re: How hard would it take to grind to... with a bankroll of
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Straight Flush
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: soaking up ethanol, moving on up
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it's easier than turning $30k into $100k seems to be...
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Originally Posted by daeyeth
How hard would it be ... to grind to 1k from 60$, starting out on micro tables, and how long would it take? Or to a couple hundred?
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hard, kinda, but easy at the same time.
You have to stick to a few basics, and learn them before you start - that's what most people find hard.
Once you know about bankroll management and why you should stick to it, once you know about appropriate levels of pre-flop tightness by position, once you know about folding, it should all be pretty easy.
Especially once you get to $600 and can go clear a bonus or two at the same time.
As for how long it takes - find a piece of string. This depends a lot on how many hours you would play. Any of the three players dranger listed above could do it again far more quickly now than first time around.
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.....or would is this a naive amateur's dream and I should know that I'll probably blow the 60$? I wanna know how unrealistic or realistic this grind would be.
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if you stick to 2nl AND don't suck AND play with discipline then you shouldn't be blowing the $60 anytime soon.
Get into irc and ask dranger and the others there. Don't get into any flips etc.
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dranger7070
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4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Wake up in the mornin feelin' like P. Diddy
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Haha, daven's spot on as always. I was actually thinking about doing a $50 to $1k challenge in 15 days next month, but I'm not sure if I'm gonna follow through yet. It's kind of hard to justify it when I have the potential to be moving up to 50nl by next month and I should be focusing on that instead of something like that. But I could def do it faster the next time around if need be.
Like he said just learn the basics. Go into the BC and read and reread and rereread all the posts in the BC digest. I'm forming a new one, adding some new posts etc, to the old digest so look for my post in the Beginner's Circle titled "New BC Digest(?)" You'll learn a bunch of the stuff you will need to know before you get started. Helped me out LOADS.
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AnTman_69
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Flush
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Brisbane, Australia
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Took me just under 3 months to build my roll from 100$ to 1k. Takes a lot of dedication, practice and discipline....but its definitely worth it. After making the first '1k' the next come alot faster. Good luck.
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Jason
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Full House
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: TN
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Most successful players will tell you that it shouldn't be that hard and that is true to an extent, but I think it's worth pointing out that for a true "average" player, being a winning player @ any level is very hard because of the rake. Technically, the average player @ any stake doesn't make any money which is why poker players focus so much on developing and maintaining edges because without an edge you won't make money @ poker long term. The affect of the rake means that roughly 40% of poker players can make any money at all @ any level. So, keep that in mind to give you respect for the game and the challenge.
With that understanding, I would say in today's poker environment, most reasonably thinking people with a little desire and dedication SHOULD be able to either learn or be coached to be successful up to at LEAST $10NL and probably $25NL, too. Around $25NL and $50NL, it doesn't become impossible, but if you just don't have at least some talent, natural tendencies, or abilities to learn the game, you'll be exposed and exploited. Players from $2NL to $10NL make a LOT of routine mistakes and as long as players make mistakes, you should be able to profit from them.
I have a similar story you could check out. Just click on my Donkey Kong icon below if you care to know more. I started with a little more money to the tune of $100 instead of $60, but I made $200 in 2 and a 1/2 months and $1000 in 6 and a 1/2 months. Had I started @ $60, that probably would have added an extra month to my time. By poker player standards, I've logged pretty modest hand volumes, too - 19k for the first $200 and 48k for the first $1000. But, everyone is different and your results will vary. I'd like to think I'm above average, but then again, what poker player doesn't think that? ... including the fishes 
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tuuk2
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Flush
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: East Hartford
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I've played roughly 17,500 hands in the course of my NL career at 2nl, 5nl, and 10nl. I'm a part-time player at best and mostly single table. I've won almost $300 from that and I started with $0 (won $7.50 in 4 freerolls and started with SNGs). Having said that, I played a lot of computer poker (poker academy) before I played for real money. Plus by the time I started playing NL, I had played a few hundred SNGs so I'm probably more experienced than the typical noob.
If you want to succeed, you need to spend as much time studying as you do playing. At least at first. You shouldn't lose $60 playing 2nl unless you really, really suck and don't try to get better. You'll get better if you just read the articles here. You'll get much better if you post your own hands for review.
If you're willing to listen and learn, you will get better and you will make $1000. How long it takes depends on how good you are and how many hands you play. I don't recommend trying to multi-table if you're a beginner because you want to make money faster( you won't because you need to build up your poker instincts before you can autopilot). Learn the game at one table first and then slowly increase the number of tables.
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Tiresman
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Two Pair
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Florida
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Operations and goals are useless unless you've already become a winning player. Get as much education as you can. Watch videos from Card Runners, Grinder School, etc. Read the strategy forums here at FTR.
My son now plays 2/4 NL 6 max but saw after cashing out on Full Tilt to play at Cake, that he had $1.37 left at Full Tilt. He jokingly told me he was going to turn it into $1K playing .01/.02 PLO. Well he built it up to about $200, then started playing $6.25 HU PLO SNG. In less than 2 weeks he was over $1K.
I know you guys will say proof or GTFO. So here you go.
The graph starts at about the 600 game level and except for some break even stretches, there were no downswings.
When he hit $1K (Sept 8) he started playing .25/.50 NL HU and at around 20K hands switched to .50/1 NL 6 max. He now has roughly 40K hands total and a Full Tilt BR over 4K.
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BooG690
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Join Date: Mar 2009
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What Dranger said...read the stories and you'll see that it can be done. You can even click sexy George and get to my blog that way 
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That's how winners play; we convince the other guy he's making all the right moves.
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dranger7070
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4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Wake up in the mornin feelin' like P. Diddy
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Yeah..., BooG's kind of creepy like that.
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daeyeth
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Join Date: Jun 2009
Posts: 63
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This is a really nice community, very helpful posts. I've decided to forgo the good times and take a dive into the grind for the first time.
Thanks for the feedback!
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