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strangebird
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05-18-2004, 10:53 PM
Post subject: Heads up at Poker Stars
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Flush
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Sizzler
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I was playing around at Poker Stars today and came a cross the heads tournaments. I love playing heads up, so i figured I'd give it a try. I won 4 in a row. These are a lot of fun. Anyone else like playing one on one?
As far as Poker Stars goes, I like it. They seem to have a nice selection of Tournaments. I think I'm going to give PartyPoker a rest and keep on playing @ PS for a week or so and see how I do. I actually just joined a $3 NL Tourney with no fee. You dont see that at Party Poker.
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Xianti
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{Moved from Tales of Poker}
Yep. Since signing up with PokerStars for our tourney, I've been playing a lot more there lately. Haven't tried the one-on-one tourneys. I think I've played 6 tourneys so far and placed in the money in 2 of them, putting me at a little less than even.
I haven't tried the ring games there yet. I'm sure I will this week.
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Xianti
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Heads-up tourneys seem odd to me.
When you're playing heads-up, isn't it somewhat of a coin-toss as far as who will win it? I mean, unless you're a grandmaster at reading people through a computer interface, isn't it just a matter of who gets more good cards?
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strangebird
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Flush
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Originally Posted by Xianti
Heads-up tourneys seem odd to me.
When you're playing heads-up, isn't it somewhat of a coin-toss as far as who will win it? I mean, unless you're a grandmaster at reading people through a computer interface, isn't it just a matter of who gets more good cards?
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I said they were fun, Thats it. I would only play for the excitement. Not really to make money. I am a true gambler, I love the excitement. With my friends i bet on everything from what the color of the next car to pass will be to who will win survivor.
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strangebird
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Flush
Join Date: Apr 2004
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I managed to place in the money in my first Tourney at Poker Stars. Didn't make much money, but it was fun.
PokerStars Tournament #1627785, No Limit Hold'em
Super Satellite
Buy-In: $3.00
880 players
Total Prize Pool: $2640.00
Target Tournament #1568391
9 tickets to the target tournament
Tournament started - 2004/05/18 - 19:05:00 (ET)
You finished the tournament in 74th place.
A $5.28 award has been credited to your Real Money account.
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Blackstar
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Join Date: May 2004
Location: Plymouth Meeting, PA
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Heads up tourneys have really nothing to do with the cards you are dealt, just like full tables... When I play in a heads up tourny with tight pussy, I crush them because they almost blind themselves to death. I keep throwing feelers out there sooner or later I will hit my cards, then you'll get crushed for a bigger pot. If you raise my bet. folding is an option... I play a super system/Gus Hanson type game.
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Ragingguitarist18
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Join Date: Feb 2004
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Originally Posted by Blackstar
Heads up tourneys have really nothing to do with the cards you are dealt, just like full tables... When I play in a heads up tourny with tight pussy, I crush them because they almost blind themselves to death. I keep throwing feelers out there sooner or later I will hit my cards, then you'll get crushed for a bigger pot. If you raise my bet. folding is an option... I play a super system/Gus Hanson type game.
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agreed, I might be one of the very few who think theres a lot of skill in heads-up play.
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I am loving playing 1 on 1.
Here is my last win.
Transcript for tournament #1648064 requested by AudiGWD<<<<thats me
*********** # 1 **************
PokerStars Game #443325157: Tournament #1648064, Hold'em No Limit - Match Round I, Level I (10/20) - 2004/05/19 - 18:00:19 (ET)
Table '1648064 1' One on One Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: AudiGWD (1500 in chips)
Seat 2: devil1126 (1500 in chips)
AudiGWD: posts small blind 10
devil1126: posts big blind 20
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to AudiGWD [7s 7c]
AudiGWD: raises 80 to 100
devil1126: calls 80
*** FLOP *** [5c As 7d]
devil1126: checks
AudiGWD: bets 100
devil1126: calls 100
*** TURN *** [5c As 7d] [Jc]
devil1126: checks
AudiGWD: bets 350
devil1126: calls 350
*** RIVER *** [5c As 7d Jc] [Qh]
devil1126: checks
AudiGWD: bets 950 and is all-in
devil1126: folds
AudiGWD collected 1100 from pot
AudiGWD: shows [7s 7c] (three of a kind, Sevens)
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 1100 | Rake 0
Board [5c As 7d Jc Qh]
Seat 1: AudiGWD (button) (small blind) collected (1100)
Seat 2: devil1126 (big blind) folded on the River
*********** # 2 **************
PokerStars Game #443326318: Tournament #1648064, Hold'em No Limit - Match Round I, Level I (10/20) - 2004/05/19 - 18:01:11 (ET)
Table '1648064 1' One on One Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: AudiGWD (2050 in chips)
Seat 2: devil1126 (950 in chips)
devil1126: posts small blind 10
AudiGWD: posts big blind 20
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to AudiGWD [Js 9c]
devil1126: calls 10
AudiGWD: checks
*** FLOP *** [6d Ks 2h]
AudiGWD: checks
devil1126: bets 120
AudiGWD: folds
devil1126 collected 40 from pot
devil1126: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 40 | Rake 0
Board [6d Ks 2h]
Seat 1: AudiGWD (big blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 2: devil1126 (button) (small blind) collected (40)
*********** # 3 **************
PokerStars Game #443326855: Tournament #1648064, Hold'em No Limit - Match Round I, Level I (10/20) - 2004/05/19 - 18:01:35 (ET)
Table '1648064 1' One on One Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: AudiGWD (2030 in chips)
Seat 2: devil1126 (970 in chips)
AudiGWD: posts small blind 10
devil1126: posts big blind 20
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to AudiGWD [4d 7c]
AudiGWD: calls 10
devil1126: checks
*** FLOP *** [3d 8s Tc]
devil1126: bets 20
AudiGWD: folds
devil1126 collected 40 from pot
devil1126: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 40 | Rake 0
Board [3d 8s Tc]
Seat 1: AudiGWD (button) (small blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 2: devil1126 (big blind) collected (40)
*********** # 4 **************
PokerStars Game #443327235: Tournament #1648064, Hold'em No Limit - Match Round I, Level I (10/20) - 2004/05/19 - 18:01:53 (ET)
Table '1648064 1' One on One Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: AudiGWD (2010 in chips)
Seat 2: devil1126 (990 in chips)
devil1126: posts small blind 10
AudiGWD: posts big blind 20
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to AudiGWD [3h Kh]
devil1126: calls 10
AudiGWD: raises 20 to 40
devil1126: calls 20
*** FLOP *** [Kd 6s Js]
AudiGWD: bets 100
devil1126: calls 100
*** TURN *** [Kd 6s Js] [Ah]
AudiGWD: bets 100
devil1126: calls 100
*** RIVER *** [Kd 6s Js Ah] [2h]
AudiGWD: bets 100
devil1126: calls 100
*** SHOW DOWN ***
AudiGWD: shows [3h Kh] (a pair of Kings)
devil1126: mucks hand
AudiGWD collected 680 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 680 | Rake 0
Board [Kd 6s Js Ah 2h]
Seat 1: AudiGWD (big blind) showed [3h Kh] and won (680) with a pair of Kings
Seat 2: devil1126 (button) (small blind) mucked [8c 8d] - a pair of Eights
*********** # 5 **************
PokerStars Game #443328153: Tournament #1648064, Hold'em No Limit - Match Round I, Level I (10/20) - 2004/05/19 - 18:02:34 (ET)
Table '1648064 1' One on One Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: AudiGWD (2350 in chips)
Seat 2: devil1126 (650 in chips)
AudiGWD: posts small blind 10
devil1126: posts big blind 20
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to AudiGWD [Jc Kh]
AudiGWD: raises 230 to 250
devil1126: folds
AudiGWD collected 40 from pot
AudiGWD: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 40 | Rake 0
Seat 1: AudiGWD (button) (small blind) collected (40)
Seat 2: devil1126 (big blind) folded before Flop
*********** # 6 **************
PokerStars Game #443328460: Tournament #1648064, Hold'em No Limit - Match Round I, Level I (10/20) - 2004/05/19 - 18:02:48 (ET)
Table '1648064 1' One on One Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: AudiGWD (2370 in chips)
Seat 2: devil1126 (630 in chips)
devil1126: posts small blind 10
AudiGWD: posts big blind 20
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to AudiGWD [5h 6s]
devil1126: calls 10
AudiGWD: checks
*** FLOP *** [Kc Tc Ks]
AudiGWD: checks
devil1126: bets 20
AudiGWD: folds
devil1126 collected 40 from pot
devil1126: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 40 | Rake 0
Board [Kc Tc Ks]
Seat 1: AudiGWD (big blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 2: devil1126 (button) (small blind) collected (40)
*********** # 7 **************
PokerStars Game #443328862: Tournament #1648064, Hold'em No Limit - Match Round I, Level I (10/20) - 2004/05/19 - 18:03:06 (ET)
Table '1648064 1' One on One Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: AudiGWD (2350 in chips)
Seat 2: devil1126 (650 in chips)
AudiGWD: posts small blind 10
devil1126: posts big blind 20
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to AudiGWD [5d 8s]
AudiGWD: calls 10
devil1126: checks
*** FLOP *** [5c 3d 6h]
devil1126: checks
AudiGWD: bets 20
devil1126: calls 20
*** TURN *** [5c 3d 6h] [3h]
devil1126: checks
AudiGWD: bets 20
devil1126: calls 20
*** RIVER *** [5c 3d 6h 3h] [2d]
devil1126: checks
AudiGWD: bets 20
devil1126: calls 20
*** SHOW DOWN ***
AudiGWD: shows [5d 8s] (two pair, Fives and Threes)
devil1126: mucks hand
AudiGWD collected 160 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 160 | Rake 0
Board [5c 3d 6h 3h 2d]
Seat 1: AudiGWD (button) (small blind) showed [5d 8s] and won (160) with two pair, Fives and Threes
Seat 2: devil1126 (big blind) mucked [Kc Th] - a pair of Threes
*********** # 8 **************
PokerStars Game #443329550: Tournament #1648064, Hold'em No Limit - Match Round I, Level I (10/20) - 2004/05/19 - 18:03:37 (ET)
Table '1648064 1' One on One Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: AudiGWD (2430 in chips)
Seat 2: devil1126 (570 in chips)
devil1126: posts small blind 10
AudiGWD: posts big blind 20
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to AudiGWD [4s 9s]
devil1126: calls 10
AudiGWD: checks
*** FLOP *** [2s 3h 8d]
AudiGWD: checks
devil1126: checks
*** TURN *** [2s 3h 8d] [7h]
AudiGWD: checks
devil1126: bets 20
AudiGWD: folds
devil1126 collected 40 from pot
devil1126: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 40 | Rake 0
Board [2s 3h 8d 7h]
Seat 1: AudiGWD (big blind) folded on the Turn
Seat 2: devil1126 (button) (small blind) collected (40)
*********** # 9 **************
PokerStars Game #443330146: Tournament #1648064, Hold'em No Limit - Match Round I, Level I (10/20) - 2004/05/19 - 18:04:02 (ET)
Table '1648064 1' One on One Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: AudiGWD (2410 in chips)
Seat 2: devil1126 (590 in chips)
AudiGWD: posts small blind 10
devil1126: posts big blind 20
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to AudiGWD [3h 9c]
AudiGWD: calls 10
devil1126: checks
*** FLOP *** [5c 3c 2c]
devil1126: checks
AudiGWD: bets 55
devil1126: folds
AudiGWD collected 40 from pot
AudiGWD: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 40 | Rake 0
Board [5c 3c 2c]
Seat 1: AudiGWD (button) (small blind) collected (40)
Seat 2: devil1126 (big blind) folded on the Flop
*********** # 10 **************
PokerStars Game #443330563: Tournament #1648064, Hold'em No Limit - Match Round I, Level I (10/20) - 2004/05/19 - 18:04:22 (ET)
Table '1648064 1' One on One Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: AudiGWD (2430 in chips)
Seat 2: devil1126 (570 in chips)
devil1126: posts small blind 10
AudiGWD: posts big blind 20
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to AudiGWD [5d Ks]
devil1126: calls 10
AudiGWD: checks
*** FLOP *** [4s 3c Qs]
AudiGWD: bets 55
devil1126: calls 55
*** TURN *** [4s 3c Qs] [5h]
AudiGWD: bets 55
devil1126: calls 55
*** RIVER *** [4s 3c Qs 5h] [7h]
AudiGWD: bets 55
devil1126: calls 55
*** SHOW DOWN ***
AudiGWD: shows [5d Ks] (a pair of Fives)
devil1126: shows [Qh 2c] (a pair of Queens)
devil1126 collected 370 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 370 | Rake 0
Board [4s 3c Qs 5h 7h]
Seat 1: AudiGWD (big blind) showed [5d Ks] and lost with a pair of Fives
Seat 2: devil1126 (button) (small blind) showed [Qh 2c] and won (370) with a pair of Queens
*********** # 11 **************
PokerStars Game #443331304: Tournament #1648064, Hold'em No Limit - Match Round I, Level I (10/20) - 2004/05/19 - 18:04:56 (ET)
Table '1648064 1' One on One Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: AudiGWD (2245 in chips)
Seat 2: devil1126 (755 in chips)
AudiGWD: posts small blind 10
devil1126: posts big blind 20
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to AudiGWD [Ah Qc]
AudiGWD: calls 10
devil1126: checks
*** FLOP *** [9h 4h Ac]
devil1126: checks
AudiGWD: bets 55
devil1126: folds
AudiGWD collected 40 from pot
AudiGWD: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 40 | Rake 0
Board [9h 4h Ac]
Seat 1: AudiGWD (button) (small blind) collected (40)
Seat 2: devil1126 (big blind) folded on the Flop
*********** # 12 **************
PokerStars Game #443331806: Tournament #1648064, Hold'em No Limit - Match Round I, Level I (10/20) - 2004/05/19 - 18:05:17 (ET)
Table '1648064 1' One on One Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: AudiGWD (2265 in chips)
Seat 2: devil1126 (735 in chips)
devil1126: posts small blind 10
AudiGWD: posts big blind 20
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to AudiGWD [7c 5d]
devil1126: calls 10
AudiGWD: checks
*** FLOP *** [8d Kc 5h]
AudiGWD: bets 55
devil1126: folds
AudiGWD collected 40 from pot
AudiGWD: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 40 | Rake 0
Board [8d Kc 5h]
Seat 1: AudiGWD (big blind) collected (40)
Seat 2: devil1126 (button) (small blind) folded on the Flop
*********** # 13 **************
PokerStars Game #443332214: Tournament #1648064, Hold'em No Limit - Match Round I, Level I (10/20) - 2004/05/19 - 18:05:35 (ET)
Table '1648064 1' One on One Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: AudiGWD (2285 in chips)
Seat 2: devil1126 (715 in chips)
AudiGWD: posts small blind 10
devil1126: posts big blind 20
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to AudiGWD [9s 2s]
AudiGWD: calls 10
devil1126: checks
*** FLOP *** [2d 4s Qh]
devil1126: checks
AudiGWD: bets 100
devil1126: folds
AudiGWD collected 40 from pot
AudiGWD: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 40 | Rake 0
Board [2d 4s Qh]
Seat 1: AudiGWD (button) (small blind) collected (40)
Seat 2: devil1126 (big blind) folded on the Flop
*********** # 14 **************
PokerStars Game #443332679: Tournament #1648064, Hold'em No Limit - Match Round I, Level I (10/20) - 2004/05/19 - 18:05:56 (ET)
Table '1648064 1' One on One Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: AudiGWD (2305 in chips)
Seat 2: devil1126 (695 in chips)
devil1126: posts small blind 10
AudiGWD: posts big blind 20
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to AudiGWD [6c As]
devil1126: calls 10
AudiGWD: raises 80 to 100
devil1126: calls 80
*** FLOP *** [4c 8s 4d]
AudiGWD: bets 100
devil1126: calls 100
*** TURN *** [4c 8s 4d] [7h]
AudiGWD: bets 250
devil1126: calls 250
*** RIVER *** [4c 8s 4d 7h] [5d]
AudiGWD: bets 245
devil1126: folds
AudiGWD collected 900 from pot
AudiGWD: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 900 | Rake 0
Board [4c 8s 4d 7h 5d]
Seat 1: AudiGWD (big blind) collected (900)
Seat 2: devil1126 (button) (small blind) folded on the River
*********** # 15 **************
PokerStars Game #443333658: Tournament #1648064, Hold'em No Limit - Match Round I, Level I (10/20) - 2004/05/19 - 18:06:41 (ET)
Table '1648064 1' One on One Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: AudiGWD (2755 in chips)
Seat 2: devil1126 (245 in chips)
AudiGWD: posts small blind 10
devil1126: posts big blind 20
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to AudiGWD [8h 2d]
AudiGWD: calls 10
devil1126: checks
*** FLOP *** [Qs Jc 6c]
devil1126: checks
AudiGWD: bets 55
devil1126: folds
AudiGWD collected 40 from pot
AudiGWD: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 40 | Rake 0
Board [Qs Jc 6c]
Seat 1: AudiGWD (button) (small blind) collected (40)
Seat 2: devil1126 (big blind) folded on the Flop
*********** # 16 **************
PokerStars Game #443334123: Tournament #1648064, Hold'em No Limit - Match Round I, Level I (10/20) - 2004/05/19 - 18:07:00 (ET)
Table '1648064 1' One on One Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: AudiGWD (2775 in chips)
Seat 2: devil1126 (225 in chips)
devil1126: posts small blind 10
AudiGWD: posts big blind 20
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to AudiGWD [3h Ac]
devil1126: calls 10
AudiGWD: raises 105 to 125
devil1126: folds
AudiGWD collected 40 from pot
AudiGWD: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 40 | Rake 0
Seat 1: AudiGWD (big blind) collected (40)
Seat 2: devil1126 (button) (small blind) folded before Flop
*********** # 17 **************
PokerStars Game #443334492: Tournament #1648064, Hold'em No Limit - Match Round I, Level I (10/20) - 2004/05/19 - 18:07:17 (ET)
Table '1648064 1' One on One Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: AudiGWD (2795 in chips)
Seat 2: devil1126 (205 in chips)
AudiGWD: posts small blind 10
devil1126: posts big blind 20
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to AudiGWD [8d 7s]
AudiGWD: calls 10
devil1126: checks
*** FLOP *** [Ah Td 2h]
devil1126: checks
AudiGWD: bets 125
devil1126: calls 125
*** TURN *** [Ah Td 2h] [6d]
devil1126: checks
AudiGWD: bets 60
devil1126: calls 60 and is all-in
*** RIVER *** [Ah Td 2h 6d] [3h]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
devil1126: shows [8h Qh] (a flush, Ace high)
AudiGWD: shows [8d 7s] (high card Ace)
devil1126 collected 410 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 410 | Rake 0
Board [Ah Td 2h 6d 3h]
Seat 1: AudiGWD (button) (small blind) showed [8d 7s] and lost with high card Ace
Seat 2: devil1126 (big blind) showed [8h Qh] and won (410) with a flush, Ace high
*********** # 18 **************
PokerStars Game #443335288: Tournament #1648064, Hold'em No Limit - Match Round I, Level I (10/20) - 2004/05/19 - 18:07:53 (ET)
Table '1648064 1' One on One Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: AudiGWD (2590 in chips)
Seat 2: devil1126 (410 in chips)
devil1126: posts small blind 10
AudiGWD: posts big blind 20
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to AudiGWD [3d 9d]
devil1126: raises 20 to 40
AudiGWD: calls 20
*** FLOP *** [Kc Ts Qd]
AudiGWD: checks
devil1126: bets 20
AudiGWD: calls 20
*** TURN *** [Kc Ts Qd] [7c]
AudiGWD: checks
devil1126: bets 20
AudiGWD: calls 20
*** RIVER *** [Kc Ts Qd 7c] [7d]
AudiGWD: checks
devil1126: bets 20
AudiGWD: calls 20
*** SHOW DOWN ***
devil1126: shows [Ac 9c] (a pair of Sevens)
AudiGWD: mucks hand
devil1126 collected 200 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 200 | Rake 0
Board [Kc Ts Qd 7c 7d]
Seat 1: AudiGWD (big blind) mucked [3d 9d] - a pair of Sevens
Seat 2: devil1126 (button) (small blind) showed [Ac 9c] and won (200) with a pair of Sevens
*********** # 19 **************
PokerStars Game #443336195: Tournament #1648064, Hold'em No Limit - Match Round I, Level I (10/20) - 2004/05/19 - 18:08:34 (ET)
Table '1648064 1' One on One Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: AudiGWD (2490 in chips)
Seat 2: devil1126 (510 in chips)
AudiGWD: posts small blind 10
devil1126: posts big blind 20
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to AudiGWD [5c 2c]
AudiGWD: calls 10
devil1126: checks
*** FLOP *** [9h 2d 8c]
devil1126: checks
AudiGWD: bets 55
devil1126: calls 55
*** TURN *** [9h 2d 8c] [5s]
devil1126: checks
AudiGWD: bets 200
devil1126: raises 235 to 435 and is all-in
AudiGWD: calls 235
*** RIVER *** [9h 2d 8c 5s] [Kh]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
devil1126: shows [4d 8h] (a pair of Eights)
AudiGWD: shows [5c 2c] (two pair, Fives and Deuces)
AudiGWD collected 1020 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 1020 | Rake 0
Board [9h 2d 8c 5s Kh]
Seat 1: AudiGWD (button) (small blind) showed [5c 2c] and won (1020) with two pair, Fives and Deuces
Seat 2: devil1126 (big blind) showed [4d 8h] and lost with a pair of Eights
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