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BoondockSaint

03-04-2004, 10:52 PM Post subject: Fnord - AceKing - Xianti - ttanka - eric - um random others

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Hey guys this site rocks and anyway down to the point. I'm about to sign up for my empire poker account to get all their deposit bonuses since everything is identical to party poker I might as well take advantage of it. Do any of you have Empire Poker accounts. I know ttanka (spelling?) was talking about getting one for the same reason as me. Anyway I can contribute some money to this site. If one of you are in their affiliate program or want to send me the refer a friend email to get yourself a free $50 feel free. Empire Pokers affiliate program gives you 125 for a sign up and not just 65 like PP. Just click on my name and my email is in there somewhere if you want to do the refer a friend. Id email em about the affiliate program since you get over twice as much. Just do whatever you want but if you do the affiliate give me a code for a 25 free on the first 50 deposit. That is default on refer a friend - you just send me the email.

I know ttanka is in Japan now but I think quite a few of you live close together and see each other. Whoever pays for the site should get first dibs on this so anyone that sees ttanka - can you do this for him so I don't have to wait a week for him to get back. If one of you talks to him and knows he doesnt want it then AceKing and Fnord have second dibs then its free game to everyone. Let me know what you want to do guys.

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03-04-2004, 11:04 PM Post subject: Re: Fnord - AceKing - Xianti - ttanka - eric - um random oth

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Fnord is an unknown quantity at this point

Last I heard, they tightened up on the second sign up for a second bonus. I know that code was added so you can't do it on the same computer. Since I don't want problems with accounting when I cash out, I haven't tried. If you do, let us know how it goes.

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03-04-2004, 11:09 PM

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Oh that sucks. I didn't know that. Well that screws up my plans. I have another computer downstairs that would have a different IP but the 2 other guys that were gonna sign up under me from party poker don't. Well damn. That just sucks. Thanks for the info.

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03-05-2004, 04:26 AM

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I'm glad you like the site! Right now we're only affiliates with PartyPoker but we've been thinking about adding Empire. I'll do some research tonight and tomorrow to check our options.

Thanks. --Eric

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03-05-2004, 05:59 AM Post subject: Re: Fnord - AceKing - Xianti - ttanka - eric - um random oth

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Hey guys this site rocks...

You guys are the life of these forums and we're fortunate to have you join us.

Thank you.

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03-05-2004, 07:14 AM Post subject: Empire

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For some weird reason they have to sign you up for the affiliate program through email I think. I've been emailing them and he is going to sign me up for it within like a day I'm guessing. I'm not starting my own actual play account there yet though until you guys give me an email or bonus code to use. Once you do that Eric - if you do decide to do the affiliate program - u can sign me up as a subaffiliate too because I'm gonna sign my 2 friends up under me I've decided so that will give you guys some more free money. This is all I found in Empire's terms & conditions that could apply to this.

10. Shared Table and Database Platform.
Company reserves that right to run and utilize a shared table, server and database platform ("Shared Table Platform") which enables players from EmpirePoker.com to play with players coming into the games, tables and tournaments from other sites and brands to the same Shared Table Platform so that the players may be pooled into common tables regardless of which site or brand they may have entered from. In such event, you agree that you may be pooled into these common tables, at Company's sole discretion, and that to the extent that you breach the terms and conditions of one site or brand, Company may have you blocked, in part or full, from the entire system so that you may not play through any site or brand. Further your play patterns, personal data, depositing limits and history may be calculated and shared across the system to counter fraud, over-depositing and other matters, as Company shall decide in its sole discretion.

Since they are still 2 seperate companies, or at least lead us to believe that, I can't really see how they could stop people from taking advantage of affiliate programs and deposit bonuses as long as you aren't trying to cheat the tables with collusion or something - like playing 2 seats at the same table. It is literally exactly the same. I checked it out and you can watch the exact same table on both systems - so really you have no idea if a player is playing on PP or EP. Anyway I think the over-depositing applies to the limits they have on you based on player status. It's something like 7500 or something lifetime max if you don't do all the security checks or whatever. Well I'm guessing that applies to that but I can't see people actually running out of that limit and caring about security checks.

There is one main difference between EP & PP and that is their tournaments. They don't seem to share any of their multi table tournaments and all their *special* tournaments are different. Their friday specials, sunday specials, and tournaments like that are crap with all super low prize pools compared to party poker. So it actually is slightly different.

Well Eric or Tyson. Just let me know when you decide what you are going to do and give me the info I need and I'll sign up.

Thanks guys

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03-05-2004, 07:24 AM

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Oops I forgot one thing. Since the guy in the email sort of jumped the gun to signing me up with the affiliate program I'm not sure I can be put as a sub affiliate under you to begin with. Doesn't matter all that much anyway I guess since 1st level sign ups you get like 10x more anyway. There should be no problems at all getting the 125 from me signing up for a normal play poker account since I have no playing account of any kind with them yet, just the affiliate.

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03-06-2004, 12:46 AM

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BoondockSaint,

I looked through our emails today. We've been contact by tradal.net in the past asking us to join Empire. I went to the Empire site today and saw that you can email them directly for the affiliate program so I sent them a note.

I haven't had a chance to talk to Tyson about this, but I think it is probably a good idea for us to join with Empire if you and other players are looking to sign up.

Hopefully they'll write me back soon. I'll keep you posted.

Thanks Again. --Eric

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03-06-2004, 02:18 AM

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Ok cool. They got back to me within about 8 hours the first time and it was only about 3 hours the second. I think the guys day off was today because he hasn't sent me any login information yet. A certain person gets assigned to your affiliate account and I think what happens is they just give you your login and password and then you sign in to something that is probably identical to party pokers. It's kind of stupid they don't just let you sign up right on their site.

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03-06-2004, 01:48 PM

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Greetings from Japan everyone. Just got caught up on this thread. First of all, you guys rock. Yeah, I'm interested in testing the waters out at Empire, too. I've left Eric a private message to get rolling on this, and it sounds like he's already working on it.

Can't believe you're actually waiting for us to get situated before you sign up. Man, that is cool. Thanks, BoondockSaint!

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03-06-2004, 08:11 PM

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I haven't tried out empire yet, but thanks for the offer.

Eric

03-07-2004, 03:23 AM

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tradal.net wrote me back. They're working on getting us tracking numbers. We should have them soon, I told them we're in a rush.

Thanks. --Eric

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03-07-2004, 05:24 AM

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Does tradel.net give you 125 too. I just wondered because I have seen a couple other companies trying to sign people up for empires affiliate program and they were only 95. I tried finding them again to see exactly what company it was but I can't seem to find them anymore. Just wanted to be sure you guys are getting the most you can. Also can u do the one thats 25 on your first 50 if that is an option.

Thanks
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03-07-2004, 06:19 AM

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Empire is confusing which is one of the reasons we didn't sign up with them sooner.

PartyPoker, on the other hand is fairly straightforward. PartyPoker allows affilates to sign up through their site and check statistics on their site. Empire is not setup that way. We have been getting email from tradal for some time saying they do the affiliate program for Empire. I sent an email directly to Empire(affiliates@EmpirePoker.com) the other day and that too was answered by tradal.

The percent of rake plan would probably be best for us so I don't know how much we would get with a flat fee plan. The percent of rake plan should give us 25% but they have given us so many different proposals that I won't know anything for sure until they give us our tracking numbers and we have a chance to check things out.

We will try to get 25 on your first 50 if that is an option.

I found an old email from Neri at tradal today, it says the following:

Date: 1/13/2004 20:28:04 +0200
Subject: RE: Advertising question All headers
Hi Eric,

January is the high season, please give me a month trial, you'll be happy
with the results.

To ensure your income I want to offer you the following -
We will start with CPA of $150 for each real money player ($50+) and 30%
from Net, the higher from both.

Once the Net will be higher than the CPA (and it usually does!) we will
change to 30%.
We provide all the statistics and pay at the end of each month like a
clockwork.

Your thoughts?

Neri

Ideally we can have one tracking number for the plan above and one tracking number for percentage of rake only.

Hopefully they'll give us tracking numbers soon so we can get this going...

ttanaka

03-07-2004, 08:35 AM

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Received the link for Empire:

http://www.empirepoker.net/index20100.htm?wm=1701684

Not sure what the bonus is for the player, I requested multiple trackers for 20% Bonus, and the flat cash bonus, but not sure which one we got, I've requested one of each.

I'll keep everyone posted as I hear more.

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03-07-2004, 08:20 PM

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Ok cool. I'll wait until you know what that tracker is actually good for. I already downloaded empire though straight off the site so do you think if I just uninstall it and reinstall it with your link download it will all be fine? I just wondered because sometimes info stays on your computer even after you uninstall. I thought you were gonna have like a bonus code thing. Is the 1701684 the bonus code or is it not the same thing. If it is I can just put that in the bonus code section right?

Thanks guys
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03-08-2004, 03:44 AM

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Dave,

I have a feeling this works similar to the PartyPoker signup. I clicked on the link above with the 1701684 number. It took me to Empire's site where there is an option to click for a 20% Bonus up to $100.

As Tyson said, we'll have more information soon. For now it is good to know that players can follow the link and click on the button to get the 20% bonus.

We'll add more information soon.

Thanks. --Eric

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03-08-2004, 03:59 AM

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Ah. I see. I thought that was always on the site right there but I went to empire poker.com and it just flashes to download and doesn't say the 20%. Well I guess I just wasn't observant enough. lol . Thanks for the info. :P I'm still gonna wait it out to see if u guys can get the 25 on 50 thing. I'm pretty sure you can because I've seen it on other sites. If you can't that's cool too just let me know when you know for sure if it's possible or not. If it's not I'll just do the 20%. I just wasn't planning on depositing a lot since I don't have personal experience with the site and try to keep as little money in those as possible until I know it's all good. Sorry for being so picky.

Also for me at least I think it would be best to do the $125 because as much as I play I think it would take you like 1-2 years to make that back on the 25% rake. Obviously it's your call but I think it would be most profitiable for u with the $125 straight up. Take it easy fellas.

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03-08-2004, 06:20 AM

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Dave,

I sent another email to Neri so we should be in good shape soon.

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I'm still gonna wait it out to see if u guys can get the 25 on 50 thing. I'm pretty sure you can because I've seen it on other sites.

I agree, if other sites can do it we should be able to do it too. Hopefully Neri will setup a separate tracker for us for the 25-50 as I asked him to in the recent email.

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Sorry for being so picky.

I don't think you're being picky at all. You're just trying to do the most efficient sign up for your style of play. You're also trying to help support our site which we fully appreciate. We'll do everything we can to get this setup right and we are really happy that you're helping us out.

I'll let you know when we hear back from Neri.

Thanks Again. --Eric

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03-08-2004, 07:30 PM

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Dave,

I finally got the tracker you want. This one gives out the $25 flat bonus.
http://www.empirepoker.com/index.htm?wm=1705037

Thanks again for signing up through us. --Eric

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03-08-2004, 08:06 PM

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Awesome. Thanks. I downloaded it and filled in all the stuff to open my account and when I hit register it said the stuff about the shared table platform and how I was detected to have an account at one of them and couldn't register. I'm not sure if that is because of my email address or because of my IP. Do any of you guys know? If it's because of my email address I'll just change it and still play in my room. If it's using the IP then I'll have to do it on my computer downstairs. If any of you guys know for sure one way or the other let me know.

Thanks

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03-08-2004, 08:18 PM

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Actually it might just scan your hard drive program files or something. It did it in like half a second though so that's highly unlikely. I don't think operations like that can run that fast.

Eric

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Recpoker has quite a few posts on having/not having accounts with both PartyPoker and Empire. Here is one thread. http://www.recpoker.com/article.php?gID=1&ID=324890

This thread says it is possible using different names. http://www.recpoker.com/article.php?gID=1&ID=300260

This one says it can't be done from one IP. http://www.recpoker.com/article.php?gID=1&ID=289978

Here's another one saying it can be done with different screen names. http://www.recpoker.com/article.php?gID=1&ID=289766

I don't know what the rules are, but it looks like there is lots of material on the subject.

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Ok Thanks for finding all that. I ran a search at that forum and there is quite a bit of info. I already know it's not the screenname because I tried to use another one to begin with and it didn't let me. I'm gonna try it downstairs this weekend with the same address and stuff and see if that works. I'm hoping it does but I'm not positive it will. I'm off of spring break now and have a bunch of crap to do this week. It seems like a lot of people on that site don't know exactly what they are talking about. A lot of conflicting arguements are present. I'll figure out something though.

Thanks for all the info
Dave

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03-19-2004, 08:03 PM

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Hey Eric and ttanaka. I hope you guys aren't upset I put you through all that rush getting bonus codes stuff and then I haven't even signed up. I've been pretty busy with school but the biggest reason I haven't done yet is I have about 260 in affiliate revenue comin from party poker and I don't wany any flags until it gets through my account. I'm still going to sign up for 100% sure though it just might another couple weeks. Sorry for the delay. I just didn't expect for them to catch it the first time I tried to sign up on this computer so I just want to be careful.

Thanks
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Hey, no problem, I've been meaning to sign up to Empire also and give it a try, but haven't gotten around to it either.

But if you get there before I do, let me know what you think! Catch ya later.

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Has anyone one found an Empire affiliate that offers both a high rake back percentage and a cash signup that doesn'void the first time buyin bonus?
Until 2 days ago i had no knowledge of how the affiliate system worked. I found an Empire affiliate with a web page that promised 26% rake back. I sent emails to Empire's affiliate program and to Empire itself asking if his promises were true. No response from either. I explained to him that i was prepared to go once i received assurances from them. Boy was he pissed. "Was I worried that he was scammimg me?" I explained that I was merely being prudent that i was ignorant and had no ill intentions. His advice was that, with my attitude, it was better that i not sign with him. With his attitude i certainly would never do so. I don't doubt his claims but this incident might sour any future relations.

I played close to 800 hands a day last week at Party trying to get up to speed at hold'em (Omaha was my game). I have been using Poker Tracker, Poker Edge, and Player View. With my background as a statistical analyst i see a lot of potential for these progrms.
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This is some serious crypt keeping. Fnord knows about these things, and i know 2+2 are well into this sort of thing.

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Has anyone one found an Empire affiliate that offers both a high rake back percentage and a cash signup that doesn'void the first time buyin bonus?
... I sent emails to Empire's affiliate program and to Empire itself asking if his promises were true. No response from either.

You can go through an affiliate and still get the bonuses. But the bonuses cut into the rakeback, and may change the 'additional' percentage you are offered by the affiliate.
Don't tell Empire about the rakeback you are receiving. I have understood (I am not an expert, but recently did the hunt you are on now) the cardrooms set a maximum affiliate-to-player incentive, and those affiliates that are going over the set line are in danger of losing their affiliate deal. That is something to consider when looking for the absolute-highest-possible-rakeback affiliate, because he may 'incentive' you right out of his business, and then you will be signed up on Empire with NO rakeback. Maybe just stick to the reputable guys.
I signed with Fnord's guy for one room, and hunted down a second guy for another room, in case one goes south (death, drugs, theft, change in offers, sickness, injury, anger ... well you get the idea.) I didn't want to put all my rakeback eggs in one basket.

I'm a know-it-all.

No, really.

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So how do i get someone quick? I need some more easy money.

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So how do i get someone quick? I need some more easy money.

I PM'd you my guy's email. If you want, enter his email into google (gave me a little more confidence to see a webpage instead of just email.)

I'm a know-it-all.

No, really.

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