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Bluffalufagus
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09-08-2006, 06:27 AM
Post subject: Does a website make that much of a difference?
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Will you see that much of a difference in your game from poker site to poker site due to the skill of players occupying each website? I ask this because over the past few months I can only win on one specific website and I mean the difference are huge. I have won about 5 times as much on this one then any other averaging the same amount of playing time and same stakes.
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This goes back to game selection-most people play well at Party/Empire due to the loosness of the games. On the PokerRoom skins most people vary-sometimes the maniacs are in full swing; other times the sharks are out. And most people go to PokerStars/Full Tilt/Ulitmate Bet if they really want to work on their game because that place is the breedng ground of sharks as well.
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Bluffalufagus
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i guess i just never really thought it would vary that much from site to site
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Irisheyes
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Players do vary wildly from place to place.
eg. Full Tilt has lots of rocks/TAGs
SportingBet has lots of fish.
Party has a mix of both.
Idon't know why it is but it's true.
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The Izebox
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Yeah i agree, there is a significant difference from site to site. I play mostly on full tilt, where most of the time (except for weekends) there are a lot of tight, solid players (which i enjoy playing with). Sometimes ill play on party, and that skill level is much lower. I say that nl 1-2 on full tilt is equivalent to 2-4 party, if not more. Party gets a lot more traffic than other sites, so there are a lot more tv players playing a lot of hands and making weird moves. If you play rock/tag poker on party tho you will bank. BANK.
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martindcx1e
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sample size at each site?
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Rondavu
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When I first came to Full Tilt, I moved from Sporting bet. The adjustment was huge. I got spanked for a couple weeks, because I was so used to the inferior play at SB.
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Jimmy Mac
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Sites that sell themselves to people who are already 'poker aware' are tighter, like Stars and Full Tilt. The looser sites seem to be those linked to sportsbetting companies, and party 'cos they do so much advertising.
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Rondavu
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Originally Posted by Jimmy Mac
Sites that sell themselves to people who are already 'poker aware' are tighter, like Stars and Full Tilt. The looser sites seem to be those linked to sportsbetting companies, and party 'cos they do so much advertising. |
As has always been the case. Pacific was the first to make this clear. Gamblers crossing over casually to play poker, and paying you out of complete beautiful ignorance for the game.
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It's not what's inside that counts. Have you seen what's inside?
Internal organs. And they're getting uglier by the minute.
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natdang
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Yes, room selection is crucial. While it may not improve your game, playing at places like pokerroom skins are massively +EV, if you have a strong enough heart for it.
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Beck
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I do not think I am that good of a player, I am just not as bad as most of em, but I am quite profitable at party poker at $50NL
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I play @ Pokerstars and have only played there and UB, but only PS for real money. There are a lot of good players @ PS, and I think that's why I like it. I've always been the reluctant one to switch sites, the same way your old man will only purchase a Ford. Although, it only makes sense to play against the worst players if your want to make the most money. But I wonder, is my investment against quality a good one?
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The Izebox
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Originally Posted by martindcx1e
sample size at each site?
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50000 at party with a few hundred sngs
about 250,000 at FT with maybe a hundred sngs.
Im estimating because i just got PT this past december.
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Miffed22001
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09-09-2006, 12:07 AM
Post subject: Re: Does a website make that much of a difference?
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Straight Flush
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Originally Posted by Bluffalufagus
Will you see that much of a difference in your game from poker site to poker site due to the skill of players occupying each website? I ask this because over the past few months I can only win on one specific website and I mean the difference are huge. I have won about 5 times as much on this one then any other averaging the same amount of playing time and same stakes.
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I have a one word answer to your post
'yes'
I wont go into detail but over a decent number of hands my win rates on certain sites own my winrate on others.
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Beck
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today I joined pokerroom for its bonus. again I played 50NL tables. It feels like I am playing 10NL cause of how moronic some of the players were against me.
This 1 guy kept puting his money all in. anyways it was easy to take it with just an overpair.
another one calls me down with A high when I have a set
I played for 2 hours on 1 table, and made 2.1xbuy in. I was also playing a free tourny that they provided.
I really got to start playing 3 or 4 tables there.
the only thing that sux is that poker sherlock does not work there.
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silu73
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I think that there is a difference as well between sites but I still do not know where the worst/best players are. I almost exclusively play on Full Tilt and Poker Stars but lots of players told me that they usually have the 'better' players. I play on Titan at the moment and the players there are quite weak/passive but the occassional fish comes around. I was on Party Poker at the beginning but because I sucked big time when I started I lost my first couple of deposits there. I haven't been back there since but I should look at it again as soon as I clear my Titan bonus.
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I'm a lifetime winner at Pokerstars and a loser/break even at all other sites... Party/ft/prima.. The sample is much smaller but it's stilll there. If only stars had rb I would never leave my house.........
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Is SporintBet the same network as Celeb Poker?
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I find Party 200NL very soft, but I'm just breakeven at 400. The same at FT now; 100NL is easy, 200NL is full of 20/10's.. Same goes for Prima 100 and 200/400 (all 6Max).
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Cocco_Bill
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I don't notice much of a difference between the big sites.
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Cocco_Bill
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Originally Posted by BankItDrew
I play @ Pokerstars and have only played there and UB, but only PS for real money. There are a lot of good players @ PS, and I think that's why I like it. I've always been the reluctant one to switch sites, the same way your old man will only purchase a Ford. Although, it only makes sense to play against the worst players if your want to make the most money. But I wonder, is my investment against quality a good one? |
Pokerstars games are very soft. At least the 200NL 6-max games are.
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Originally Posted by Cocco_Bill
I don't notice much of a difference between the big sites.
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There is much less of a difference between sites than people think (apart from Bill obv). They will always tend towards the mean, partly through simple probability and partly because if one site becomes much easier/harder then people will gravitate to or from it and equilibrium will reign again.
(exceptions: the sites with the biggest marketing budgets, and sites which are sportsbooks/casinos first and foremost)
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Silly String
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Originally Posted by biondino
There is much less of a difference between sites than people think (apart from Bill obv). They will always tend towards the mean, partly through simple probability and partly because if one site becomes much easier/harder then people will gravitate to or from it and equilibrium will reign again.
(exceptions: the sites with the biggest marketing budgets, and sites which are sportsbooks/casinos first and foremost)
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I was thinking this the whole time I was reading this post. Good players will gravitate toward easy games. The problem with the free market system in this example is the number of poor/unaware players at lower limits where most start out. I believe poker room selection has a much greater affect on your win rate at 25NL than at 200NL+.
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TerryToma
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Originally Posted by BankItDrew
I play @ Pokerstars and have only played there and UB, but only PS for real money. There are a lot of good players @ PS, and I think that's why I like it. I've always been the reluctant one to switch sites, the same way your old man will only purchase a Ford. Although, it only makes sense to play against the worst players if your want to make the most money. But I wonder, is my investment against quality a good one? |
i think you are missing out on a lot of bonuses and soft play.
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Erik
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09-15-2006, 11:00 AM
Post subject: Does a website make that much of a difference?
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I believe the difference between most poker rooms are not that big. A more important question to focus on is: When to play ? The difference between daytime and nights are huge in many online rooms. At Ladbrokes a Tuesday afternoon there are always the same semi-professional multi-tables grinders trying to win a few dollars from each other . But the same location Friday night when people are coming home from the pub in the mood for some gambling are a totally different place. I have statistics on this, at Ladbrokes NL 1,5-3 I have played 1350 hours. My average on weekdays are $32.20 per hour and on weekends 55.60, and the difference between daytime and nights are also very big. Playing at the best times of the day and week can double your expected earnings per hour or make a losing player a long term winner. Only one problem. Perhaps you want a social life outside the poker tables. This is what I do. I’m located in Europe so I play in US rooms in daytime and take advantage of the different time zones . If you are from Europe Party Poker is a better place in daytime than the European rooms. And you Americans will find the best games in the European rooms like EuroBet Poker and EuroPoker. Ladbrokes are an even better alternative but they don’t like your governments attitude to online gambling and don’t accept US players for the moment.
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ChezJ
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agree with erik 100%. even the fishiest, most profitable sites turn into death traps after 1 am EST. nothing but checkraising tight-asses who limp in with KK.
another factor is the timing of bonus offers... at party, the fish factor completely dries up whenever there is a monthly bonus offer... nothing but multitabling robots camping out for sets.
ChezJ
P.S., online cardrooms are not "websites"
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Miffed22001
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I believe the difference between most poker rooms are not that big
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wrong and misleading.
Its not even close either.
If you do not think there is a difference between pokerstars 50nl and 100nl and party 50nl and 100nl then you have some serious misconceptions.
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