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slownpainful
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12-10-2008, 10:42 PM
Post subject: Currently on UB. Move to Absolute Poker or to Full Tilt?
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Join Date: Jun 2008
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I'm currently playing on Ultimate Bet. I had won a $4 freeroll a few months ago and have managed to *almost* get my roll to $600 so that I can move to Full Tilt and get RB and a deposit bonus. Now I'm starting to doubt my decision to move to FT once I hit the $600.
I dont have rakeback on Ultimate Bet but I'm assuming if I switch to Absolute I can sign up there with rakeback and bonus which is a 30% rake and a $500 bonus which is basically the same as FT. I'm worried that the players at FT are going to be a lot better and the game is going to be harder to beat. It seems like every player at UB (cereus network) has a VPIP of over 40 which makes the games so soft. Even though FT has a better reputation I'm worried that it's going to be huge -ev to switch over.
Basically my questions are: 1) I can still get RB and bonus on Ap even though I'm on UB now right? 2) Should I stay due to the soft compitition on the Cereus network, is it worth it?
I can always move to FT once I clear Ap bonus... Opinions?
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Jack Sawyer
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4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Jan 2007
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full tilt for obvious reasons
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slownpainful
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Join Date: Jun 2008
Posts: 37
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"obvious reasons" isn't quite what i was looking for. I know about the wole superuser crap but that was at the higher levels and hopefully they're trying to turn things around.
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meeloche
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Join Date: Feb 2007
Posts: 2,131
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sigh. I'm not going to bother debating that issue however I will give you a bunch of pros for full tilt.
-600$ First time deposit bonus
-30% Rakeback usually depends what site you sign up with (my recomendation is leggo)
-Some sort of ironman thing that I don't really undertstand the details of but sounds cool
-FTOPS events
- Way more players than UB+Abosulte which means better game selection and more fish.
-No history of stealing players money or threatening bankruptcy.
-Decent quality FPP store (you can buy a cardrunners membership)
someone can add if I missed anything.
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jyms
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Tilting Mod
Join Date: Feb 2006
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UB allows you to have more than one account. Just open another. Or go to FT. AP and UB are the same now. Not sure if they merged the tables yet but I will never play there.
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meeloche
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Join Date: Feb 2007
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Originally Posted by jyms
UB allows you to have more than one account. Just open another. Or go to FT. AP and UB are the same now. Not sure if they merged the tables yet but I will never play there.
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lol wow they just are building a real great site now aren't they!
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slownpainful
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Join Date: Jun 2008
Posts: 37
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so I could just stay w/UB, open a 2nd account, and redeposit my roll? Ub bonus is hell to clear though... ugh I hate making decisions
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Shake_N_Bake
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Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Casper, WY
Posts: 14
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Originally Posted by jyms
UB allows you to have more than one account. Just open another. Or go to FT. AP and UB are the same now. Not sure if they merged the tables yet but I will never play there.
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Originally Posted by meeloche
lol wow they just are building a real great site now aren't they!
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What he means by this is that UB will allow you to open another account to get rakeback etc. then the original account is closed. That is what they did for me a few years ago.
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jdubs
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Full House
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: California
Posts: 949
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clearly with the hellmuth scandal UB and absolute are both total shit. Obv move to tilt.
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FlowJoe
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3-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Washington, D.C.
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I'm getting a little leary of UB and ABS with the Hellmuth situation. Try Full Tilt or POker Stars. Personally I like Bodog but I don't know their rakeback situation seeing as how that's important to you!
Peace,
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Robb
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Join Date: Aug 2007
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I don't play there any more, and I don't miss it.
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Dear Player
As you know the Rake data at AP and UB has been less than perfect for the last month or so since the merger of the two sites
The December numbers we have now have been updated and are correct but for a few exceptions.
This email is to let you know that the final data was only given to us yesterday and we then sent back the payment requests to the two rooms.
They have made the race payments for December and will be making the rakeback payments over the course of the next 48/72 hours.
We just wanted to let you know that the request has been made and we would like to apologise on UB/AP’s behalf for any delays you have experienced this month
Best wishes and an enjoyable rest of the weekend!
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RakebackArmy
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Join Date: Dec 2008
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I play at FT and have never had any problems with withdrawals or deposits. No complaints here.
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mrhappy333
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Full House
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Hartford, CT
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Has there been any more press release's over the Phil Helmuth Hand?
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hangchiong
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Flush
Join Date: Jun 2008
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i just created an account on Absolute.the players are reasonable,beatable for ->5BB/100.i would suggest go to FT and get rakeback,is better than clearing the bonus at AP.its a very very very long grind at 25 and 50NL.
software arent that good either.and i believe FT bonuses are faster to clear at 25NL than at AP.
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Xianti
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I wouldn't recommend Absolute. Moving to Full Tilt is a good option.
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bode
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Straight Flush
Join Date: May 2006
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FT is obv the safe route, but i couldn't hate on a micro/small stakes grinder signing up at AP just to clear the bonus and then bounce. Not many bonus whoring opportunities anymore you know?
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Robb
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Originally Posted by bode
FT is obv the safe route, but i couldn't hate on a micro/small stakes grinder signing up at AP just to clear the bonus and then bounce. Not many bonus whoring opportunities anymore you know?
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Not for U. S. players. By the way, both sites have "levels" you earn. The first month of grinding the bonus is slow, but you get more points per hand as your level goes up. So by the fifth week of grinding, you're taking the bonus $$ down 3x faster than you started going.
Still...get away from there ASAP, imo.
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MSG85
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Two Pair
Join Date: Feb 2006
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This may be a little late but I hope this is still helpful. AP tends to offer a redeposit bonus every month, which will usually clear along with your 30% rakeback (i.e. you should be able to find a provider that does not deduct bonuses.). If you are ok with the chance you could get totally screwed by a superuser at micro stakes and want 30-60% rakeback (with the bonuses) and softer tables...well yea, you should be able to figure this one out.
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gankhill
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Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: Tennessee
Posts: 5
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Full Tilt all the way but if you really want to make some easy cash id go to Cake the cash games there are very soft Lots of fish
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birdman417
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02-22-2009, 03:22 PM
Post subject: I hear you but...
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3-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: US
Posts: 82
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So everyone is saying NEVER EVER play at Absolute...I threw some money at Absolute awhile back but didnt realize that UB and Absolute were one and the same.
Im a little miffed at giving Hellmouth some of my money without doing my research...but what are my options?
Is the current train of thought that you CANNOT make money at Absolute? Im doing ok there...but Im also just an ok player.
I kinda like the set up at Absolute but Im a donkey faced moron apparently.
off the soapbox...sorry for the rant
birdman
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Robb
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4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Aug 2007
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The current thoughts frm FTR regs seems to be "sure you can make money" at UB and Absolute, but there's a good chance you'll be cheated out of it. If you don't get personally hurt, you'll still be supporting sites where they repeatedly let unfair / illegal practices go unchecked. Either way, there's other places to make money playing poker.
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