180 Man General Questions

I've been being a wuss and have not started playing MTT's yet.
I want to start with the 180 Mans.
Do i need to follow the same Bankroll guidelines as a regular big field MTT?
How many buyins (Minimum) should i have for these?
Is there a big gap in competition between the $4 and $10 levels. I'd much rather play the $10 levels.
Is there any good articles concerning 180 man strategy.
Since we only start with 1500 chips opposed to 3k would a TAG approach be optimal over a LAG during the first levels?

On a sidenote....
I've read HOH 1 , 2 and 3 and Kill Everyone . I have Tournament Poker For Advanced Players by Sklansky on the way VIA stars FPP store. Any other recomended readings? Is Kill Phil any good?
I like Kill Everyone's LAG approach to the game rather than Harringntons TAG approach.

I def need a break from Sit N Go's!

Other questions for anyone willing to answer.
Is PT/PAHUD essential for MTT? Since my laptop broke i havn't been able to get a copy so I'm gonna be buying the registration code for it this weekend. For SNG's it's not a must IMO but seems like it would for MTT.

Do most multi-table MTT's? I 6-7 table Sit N Go's but not sure if this would be smart for the 180's? Anyone?

50-60 buyins should be plenty for these since the variance is reduced significantly by the smaller field size.

Go ahead and play the $10 ones, there is not a big difference in skill level. You don't really need a hud if you are only playing 6 or less tables. GL

Just make sure you adjust to MTT's because proper short-stack play is drastically different than it is in SnG's.

Hmmm, can you elaborate on how short stack play is drastically different in MTTs than it is in SNGs? I win in both and i think i play about the same way in both. But maybe i play differently and have not really realized it.

Kill - your post the other day in the SNG forum ( http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...oker-64347.htm ) would point to you playing correctly in MTTs and too fast on the bubble in SNGs. Ignoring the bubble is correct in MTTs and totally incorrect in SNGs.

DH - no, you don't need a HUD. also, what i said here

http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...oker-62154.htm

Thanks the replies everyone.
Gonna install Tournament Indicator and start out 4 tabling them this weekend.
Hopefully ill have some interesting/troublesome hands to post in this forum.
Gonna spend the next couple of days reading Kill Phil and re reading Kill Everyone and any literature i can find on the web that is directed towards the 180 Man Tourneys.
I'm relieved i won't need HUD because i was gonna wait until i was rolled for the 16s (sngs) or playing 8+ tables , whichever comes first.

Originally Posted by mcatdog

Just make sure you adjust to MTT's because proper short-stack play is drastically different than it is in SnG's.

I don't think it's that much different. The real difference is that in SNGs when you are short stacked you are likely playing shorthanded instead of a full table. Then there are the bubble/payout considerations when choosing when to make your stand.

See, this is why we need to re comine SNG and MTT

If you multi the $10 turbos, you will get really familiar with true variance. You will have great days and days that will shatter your ego because none of your 60/40s will hold up. You will be flipping a lot in these so get ready for crazy beats. Don't get me wrong there will be great days where you feel invincible.

The way to be good at these is great short stack play. Pay attention to your stack and push from CO+ when ~10bbs and when 15 bbs shove over weak limpers and other lp raisers that have a similar stack.

With all of that said, make sure that you are playing with at least 100 buy-ins.

Sprayed or anyone else, I have been multitabling $12 turbos today and I have dropped ~$400 with one still going (4/16 gogogo!), roughly 50 or so played.

Is this normal or do I suck. The self evalution of today is going to be EPIC!

standard

Good good. 4th for $158 so some losses recouped. No fun at all though!

When you win they are a big boost. That's why drmcboy is saying play for first. Because of the variance you have to win in order to profit from these. They are good to play for the br but you have to be able to deal with the variance. $400 downswing is nothing. I went ~30 without cashing and it wasn't due to total bad play. Just ran into major coolers. They will teach you how to play the end game which is important for normal tourneys.

These are why people switch to cash. The problem is that with cash you have to be able to play post flop. Me not to good at post flop. If you need to take a break and you don't want to go to cash, play the 45s. You will find yourself busting in the top 20 in the 45s for no money a lot, but it will at least tell you that you are doing something right and almost made it. Yippy hooray!!!!!

Originally Posted by drmcboy

See, this is why we need to re comine SNG and MTT

I don't think we need to do that. I'd say anything more than the 3 table 27-30 person sit n go's could be considered MTTs for nearly every aspect.

If you don't think that post that I sent infidel too shows a drastic difference between SNGs and MTTs, we just disagree on the meaning/degree of "drastic".

Originally Posted by drmcboy

If you don't think that post that I sent infidel too shows a drastic difference between SNGs and MTTs, we just disagree on the meaning/degree of "drastic".

I am pretty sure we are on the same side here We shouldn't combine the SNG and MTT forum because the play is dfferent between the two types...

My posts were directed to this comment you made where you said they were not that much different

Originally Posted by KoRnholio

Originally Posted by mcatdog

Just make sure you adjust to MTT's because proper short-stack play is drastically different than it is in SnG's.

I don't think it's that much different. The real difference is that in SNGs when you are short stacked you are likely playing shorthanded instead of a full table. Then there are the bubble/payout considerations when choosing when to make your stand.

regarding the two forums, it's just an old hobby horse of mine. I think MTT would benifit from increased traffic, SNG would benifit from new forms of thinking, and both could challenge each other. The places they are and are not different would be instructive to both.

Originally Posted by drmcboy

regarding the two forums, it's just an old hobby horse of mine. I think MTT would benifit from increased traffic, SNG would benifit from new forms of thinking, and both could challenge each other. The places they are and are not different would be instructive to both.

You can't merge the two forums otherwise I would be booted as mod!