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Old 08-16-2004, 06:19 PM     Post subject: When you first sit down at a table.. #1 (permalink)  
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When you first sit down at a table, what type of things do you take notice of? What are the first tells you try to find(neat chip stacks? Do you estimate how long they looked at their cards? etc.) I basically want to know how you get a feel for a table within the first few minutes, and what to look for/watch out for/take advantage of?

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Old 08-16-2004, 06:49 PM #2 (permalink)  
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I think you said in another post that you have read Caro's book of Tells. Ifthis is true, you already have a leg up.

What I look for when choosing a seat at a table in a live game (cause that seems to be what you are refering to) is people.

People who sit way back in their chair and look almost not interested in the game, people dressed very nice and clean-cut, people who have their chips stacked up neatly (even having the marks on the side of their chips matching up is an extreme of this) people who announce their action ("I raise $3") are people you want sitting after you. They are people you want to stay out of the way when they enter a hand.

On the opposite side. People who have their chips stacked uneven (in a big messy pile is an extreme) people who sit at the edge of their chair, people dressed sloppy are usually the people to have sitting before you. They also have no problems making a scene and letting everyone know what their action is.

The sloppy people are more apt to play a pot, be loose and aggressive, and you will want to act after them to make sure that you don't put unnesseccary money into the pot. The clean people will be less likely to enter and raise, which makes them safe to sit after you. But again, be very cautious when entering a pot against them. They are less likely to play a hand, which means when they do, they have something pretty strong.
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Old 08-16-2004, 06:54 PM #3 (permalink)  
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Ya, that is a very good one. And i remember reading that in caros book, or maybe it was the theory of poker. Anyways, i guess i wasn't specifying this in the first post, but i meant

In a tournament, where you really have no choice of where you sit when you enter a new table, what do you look for to get tells or a read on your opponents, not necessarily where to sit. Sorry if i wasn't clear before.
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I took it wrong. But I still gave you the info.
What people look like --> how they play --> where to sit

All you need to do is stop before the 3rd point.

Sloppy people play sloppy, neat people play tight.

And you will always have at least 1 exception to this rule at every table.

Geez, stereotyping is fun. Cracker.
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Geez, stereotyping is fun
haha, alright, i will pay attention to that
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One thing I always try to look for, and I think Caro goes into more depth about this, is what they do with their eyes. Let's say I just sit down, and I'm waiting for the button to pass, I will watch whoever is in the hand, and see what they do after the flop, turn, and river comes out.

If I sit down at a tournement table, I always like to listen to what the players talk about. I've only played in one live, so I only had one chance to do this. The guys that talked a lot were a lot more loose than the players that were quiet. This one Asian guy that like to talk about everything and anything was playing any face card. It paid me off when I had KK and he had Q7.
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hey guys nice topic, i just bought caros book through amazon, im going to post soon i guess. lol
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Old 12-15-2004, 11:19 PM #8 (permalink)  
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hey guys nice topic, i just bought caros book through amazon, im going to post soon i guess. lol
Honestly, I didn't really get that much out of this book with regards to the "I just sat down and..." scenarios. Although it's good to know the standard signs (even those watered down ones that many people know now), I just haven't gotten much advantage out of his material in this context. However, I suppose it could help at the unconscious level in terms of feel.

I guess my point is I can't often pin-point times when Caro-lessons helped me nail a good read. Of course, feel/reads are so different than Sklansky-like logic thus are hard to concretely say "yes that is the right move".

Maybe I need to think about this more.
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One thing I always try to look for, and I think Caro goes into more depth about this, is what they do with their eyes. Let's say I just sit down, and I'm waiting for the button to pass, I will watch whoever is in the hand, and see what they do after the flop, turn, and river comes out.
I thought more...

I always try to use these sayings in live games: "Before you bet, look left." OR "After anyone bets, look left". I also like "Turn your chair and stare left." No one wants to get raised or re-raised over.

Also, I think watching players hands can get you info., particularly away from the action.
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