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RiverGhost
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11-10-2005, 09:21 PM
Post subject: when the others stare at the flop
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Join Date: Aug 2005
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after learning and using this tell that and i've found that is one of the few that I would consider truly universal. Of course it depends on where or who you are playing. But it is very easy to tell when a person would be completely unaware of this tell. After only playing in bar tournaments I finally played a casino game, it was a single table tournament. After the blinds got higher I stole a pot in first position against 3 others that called to see the flop. Projecting a tight image during the first few levels had a lot to do with it I'm sure. After I realized I could do this I started seeing flops with and any two cards and stealing the pot when I missed and checking or value betting when I hit.
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Andy Holt
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11-11-2005, 05:33 AM
Post subject: Re: when the others stare at the flop
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Flush
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: They were suited!
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Let me offer something here:
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Originally Posted by RiverGhost
after learning and using this tell that and i've found that is one of the few that I would consider truly universal.
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I don't know about "truly universal," there could be plenty of reasons why someone stared at the flop. In a casino I usually have to double check if I'm not in seats 4-7 due to my nearsightedness. I think it's safe to say that if someone is staring at cards they don't have much of a hand or are on a wacky draw (gutshot, double gutshot). But not universal by any stretch.
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Originally Posted by RiverGhost
I stole a pot in first position against 3 others that called to see the flop.
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Whoa, hang on! Did you really lead out here against 3 opponents? If this was a true steal, then by definition you had nothing. This just throws up all kinds of red flags in my mind. You want to play better than Grandma and Grandpa, not give them their money back!
Whatever this has to do with the "flop stare," I don't know, but just remember that at any blind level, stealing is way risky with more players in the hand, even if you're seen by everyone as a tight player. A steal out of position is to be used very sparingly, but keep it in your toolbox. A steal against 3 players is asking for disaster in any position. Someone virtually always has a hand they can call you down with. A lot of times, donks will call anyway with nothing (one overcard or a 3 flush maybe) just because they feel like it.
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Originally Posted by RiverGhost
Projecting a tight image during the first few levels had a lot to do with it I'm sure.
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For sure, you always have to keep your table image in mind and you seem to do a great job of that. This is a crucial part of stealing pots, too...
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Rondavu
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4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Jan 2005
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Leading out first act after the flop is a sign of a big hand from a tight player, and you probably had someone with TPGK behind you who folded because he gave you too much credit. It may not have been that he had nothing to call you with, it was probably just a freebie with no monster in the hand of your opponent. He just had the winning hand and was unwilling to look a first act aggressor up.
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