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Theeggman
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10-21-2005, 11:58 PM
Post subject: What makes me most angry
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Flush
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: SoCal
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Is not when I take a bad beat. When this happens I get pissed for a few seconds and realize that I'd rather be the one taking the bad beat than the one giving it. Simply put: I don't want any more positive reinforcment for making bad plays than I have already gotten.
But what really pisses me off is when I make a big bluff and I am called. I've been trying to figure out what it is about this situation that gets me so mad. Sure, I want the guy to fold his TPTK or nut flush draw to my Queen hi gutshot draw. But playing winning poker isn't about people laying down to my aggression every time. Just as with the bad beats, I have equity in each hand I play. When my bluff gets called and I'm sent to the rail the guy simply made a good call. He will fold in that spot a certain percentage of the time and I will take the pot. If I'm good enough to be 80/20 in that spot I just happened to hit the 20 this time. Next time I'm closer to 90% in that same spot. But those times I do get called I'm thinking, "what a terrible call. Don't you see the scare card on the river?" Or, "I repped that Ace preflop how could you call that bet with middle pair?" At that point I'm steaming mad; as mad as I've ever been in the face of any functioning computer. However, the truth is that he made a good call and he was rewarded for it. Do I think that every stab that I make at a pot should be met with cowardice? No. Otherwise I wouldn't get action when my hand does fill up.
I guess what I'm saying is that I'm starting to know how Phil Hellmuth feels when he says, "Unbelievable!" And I've never won a single bracelet. I am no poker god and I shouldn't expect to win every showdown and I shouldn't expect - nor want - every move I make to fold my opponent.
What a bluff-gone-wrong usually boils down to is that I'm either making a good move at a bad time or a bad move at a bad time. If I'm pissed at anyone it should be at myself. The bottom line is this: I've got equity in each pot I'm in, and if I can keep improving my game and finding those good spots to move in I'll keep increasing that equity slowly and steadily . No need for me to boil over and cuss out the liquid crystals just because some lucky bastard didn't know when he was supposed to fold the best hand. I'm learning I suppose.
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Frizzle02
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Join Date: Sep 2005
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What exactly do you want use to say?
The first step to fixing a problem is admitting you have one.
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WhooFleuryScores
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Full House
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Massachusetts
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One of the things I've had to work on more is bluffing;I tend to only bet my draws and hands when I have them.It's gotten to a point sometimes where I won't get action on my premiums even preflop because the tight passives presume I have a Level I hand.
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LeFou
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4-of-a-Kind
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I got pretty angry the other night when my PF all-in bluffs were called twice by the same guy.
First time he turned over queens. Makes sense.
Second time: T7o
Don't know why that bothered me so much, since I had shown I could push with any two. He had me about 3:1 inchips. Still seems like a disrespectful call. 
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pokerfanatic
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Lesion to yourselves... "What makes me angry..."
Aka "what makes me loose and go on tilt afterwards..."
This sounds like a bad beat situation to me... Also making big bluffs is only considered a necessary play by loosing players ever noticed that?
Just food for thought not trying to start any arguments...
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WhooFleuryScores
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Full House
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I think it gets to a point where nothing really bothers me with cards anymore lol.
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dalecooper
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I have gone through this myself. I'm trying to get over it. I think what's infuriating about it is that you expend serious thought (and chips) in an effort to represent a strong hand, and after all that effort, at the height of your genius as a poker player, you expect to be rewarded by a fold. And when the other guy looks at his flush draw or whatever and just can't let it go, it's sickening. I have found myself a couple of times in stupid arguments that involve me saying "yeah, he was a favorite, but against my RANGE OF HANDS he wasn't"... blah blah blah. I think the main thing I have often done wrong in these situations is either A. miscalculate the strength of my opponent's hand (i.e. they have a better hand, or some kind of two-way draw, that they honestly shouldn't fold based on the pot odds), or B. misjudge the quality of my opponent, which is my own fault completely. It's one thing to carefully built a hand representation against Fnord or somebody aware like that who will think about it; it's something else entirely to waste all that effort against a complete fish who thinks his pocket pair has to be good, even with a paired board and three overs out there, 'cuz goshdarnit he's got two pair. But in both cases A and B, it's a mistake that I am making that is leading to the problem, not a mistake the other guy is making. You don't bluff people who have something decent and are getting priced in to call you; you don't bluff in ways that a thinking player will figure out and lead him to call you; and you don't bluff calling stations. If I make one of these errors, I should be mad at myself, not anyone else.
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Rondavu
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Bluffing is one of the most complicated things in poker. It's a precise artform that shouldn't be practiced extensively until one has a strong grasp on the answer to the following two questions...
What's your fold equity? Why?
If your sitting there saying "What's fold equity?", then you're in trouble.
Fold equity is shaped by many different factors not limited to but including Scare cards, stack sizes, opponent intelligence/tightness/aggression, and most importantly your opponents opinion of you at this exact moment.
It's something that needs to be eased into. You need to accumulate a lot of long term and short term knowledge to make the right choice in a particular spot. It's very complicated, but once you become good at it, it's very simple. Bluffing is a strange beast. Kind of a catch 22. You need to be successful a large percentage of the time to make it profitable, but you can never be profitable at it if you don't practice it. That's why it's good to introduce this dangerous learning curve on table stakes below your roll. There's bad news and good news to that. The bad part is the lower stakes you play, the less fold equity you have. The good part is if you can become a good bluffer at lower stakes, then you'll be that much better when you start introducing it against smarter players.
My advice to you, is only bluff when you're more than 90% sure your opponent will fold while you're still learning. Later on you can introduce more vulnerable edges. You'll know when it's time. It's not now for you most likely. You're over your head with the bluffing, because you don't know why you're doing it sometimes.
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