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Mr_SCZ
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09-19-2005, 06:37 PM
Post subject: What happens if the dealer makes a mistake...???
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Join Date: Aug 2005
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What happens if the dealer makes a mistakes when dealing? accidentally turns two cards instead of one on the turn? or four cards on the flop?
Is there a rule for those situations in private games, at home, without a dealer?? If a player is dealing the cards he/she can benefit from making a mistake... How is that generally handled?
Any replies will be greatly appreciated!
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ChezJ
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Full House
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: Washington, D.C.
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it should be easy to figure out which card was not meant to be dealt. that card becomes the burn card. as long as everyone sees it, everyone has the same information and the game is still fair. just turn it over after everyone sees it and either pre-burn the card (and deal the next card face up), or put it back on top of the deck to be burned next. hope that makes sense.
ChezJ
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Kessler
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Straight
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Las Vegas
Posts: 117
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There are procedures for most flubs in a B&M cardroom. I play mostly live games, and the most common mistakes I see are:
Dealing a card off the table
Accidentally Exposing a card (either by player, or dealer, or combo)
Burn n Turn before action is complete
For exposed cards, usually the card is left face up, becomes the burn card, and the player is dealt another card.
For Burn and Turn before action is complete, (Someone doesn't call and gets a free look at the turn/river card) they complete the action, then take the card that was dealt and shuffle it back in with the remainder of the deck so it 'has a chance to dealt again'. It's not the greatest solution, but since the cards are out and the pot has been built, it's the best way of handling it. Only twice I've seen the exact same card resurface. 
-Kessler
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If you can't be kind, at least have the decency to be vague.
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metaxy6
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Flush
Join Date: May 2005
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I saw a dealer - who was older and very chatty with the players in her game and due for a break - make a mistake that cost a guy a $600 pot in an nl game.
He was heads up and obviously had set of kings on the on flop and jammed it; the turn made his opponent's flush and he got check raised. The river WOULD HAVE filled him up but the chatty dealer carelessly exposed it and had to burn the card.
The susbstitute river was a brick and he got smoked.
I think he had some kind of protection because of the mistake, but it still cost him a huge pot. Everybody knew exactly what had happened. He handled it with a lot of class., which is all he could do, but a hell of a lot more than most ould have done.
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RotterSod
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3-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: Los Angeles
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Originally Posted by metaxy6
I saw a dealer - who was older and very chatty with the players in her game and due for a break - make a mistake that cost a guy a $600 pot in an nl game.
He was heads up and obviously had set of kings on the on flop and jammed it; the turn made his opponent's flush and he got check raised. The river WOULD HAVE filled him up but the chatty dealer carelessly exposed it and had to burn the card.
The susbstitute river was a brick and he got smoked.
I think he had some kind of protection because of the mistake, but it still cost him a huge pot. Everybody knew exactly what had happened. He handled it with a lot of class., which is all he could do, but a hell of a lot more than most ould have done.
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This is why I dislike chatty dealers. They tend to make more mistakes and they get on my nerves. That's when I like to put on my best RotterSod glare and dare them to keep talking.
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RotterSod
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3-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: Los Angeles
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Quote:
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Originally Posted by metaxy6
I saw a dealer - who was older and very chatty with the players in her game and due for a break - make a mistake that cost a guy a $600 pot in an nl game.
He was heads up and obviously had set of kings on the on flop and jammed it; the turn made his opponent's flush and he got check raised. The river WOULD HAVE filled him up but the chatty dealer carelessly exposed it and had to burn the card.
The susbstitute river was a brick and he got smoked.
I think he had some kind of protection because of the mistake, but it still cost him a huge pot. Everybody knew exactly what had happened. He handled it with a lot of class., which is all he could do, but a hell of a lot more than most ould have done.
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A while back I was playing locally at 100NL and had pocket 2's. The flop came TTx with me and one other player. Turn was a K which I could see hit him. I checked and before he could bet the dealer burned and turned the river which was an x. He got mad and called the floor who told the dealer to put the x back in the deck, reshuffle and deal the river again. It was a 2. We ended up going all in and I took down a nice pot with my FH to his 2P.
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metaxy6
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Flush
Join Date: May 2005
Posts: 328
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ha. too sweet.
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stevedonel
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Full House
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Vegas
Posts: 617
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Chatty dealers are the bane of live play. Most dealer errors are made because they are not paying close attention to the game, which they are supposed to be running.
Kessler's exposed cards info is spot on. Other errors can get a little more complex. Almost all other errors require a fllorperson's ruling, and they can get a little weird sometimes.
I had a doozie two nights ago at the Bellagio's 2/5 NL game. I flopped the nut flush in the SB, and get all the BB's chips in the pot when he turns two pair. We both flip up our cards (Bellagio cash games are tournie style when there is no further action with cards to come), the dealer looks at both hands, calls the cards out, mucks both hands with the board cards, and pushes me the $900 pot. What's wrong here? NO FOOKING RIVER CARD
How did this happen?
-The dealer was chatting with the players at the other end of the table; something that is iffy to start with during a hand, but a big NO during action, especially big betting action.
-The dealer's talking caused him to not hear the other play say call, and did not confirm our actions before continuing or ending the hand
-I released my cards and starting counting out my chips to see how much we both had to put into the pot. Every player should know that you dont let those puppies go until the pot is pushed or your hand is dead. I should have waited to see all the cards and counted afterwards.
The cardroom manager wound up giving the decision on this one; a very poor decision I must add. I had to give the final $194 bet (my check-raise on the turn) back to the other player.
My floorperson at Binions has been on the floor over 20 years and said that she has never seen a dealer error that bad. She said I should have been given the entire pot, and the dealer should have had to pay the other player what he lost on the hand.
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Is that guy still part of the forum??
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