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Cawchy
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07-27-2005, 05:33 AM
Post subject: Went for the first time, and lost everything I came with.
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Join Date: Mar 2005
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I bought into a 3/6 limit game with 1 and 3 dollar blinds. I bought in with 80 dollars (20 more than the min buy in). The best hand I had was trip 9's which didn't pay off big, and the second best hand was two pair (ace ten) which I lost my last 17 bucks to.
I went with a friend who had went once before and won money but knows very little about poker himself. However he came away with a 123 dollar profit!
I have read Harrington on hold'em, Caro's book of poker tells, and skansky's "the theory of poker." As well as many articles around the net. I figured i was more than ready to play.
All of my online experiance has been no limit, rather than limit. Is it really that big of differance between the two? I already ordered small stakes hold'em because I heard that was "the" book to read.
In our bi-weekly games with friends (NL) I am always in the top few, and am often the winner.
Am I stressing out about loosing the first time I went out too much? Or does it show me I need to go play pokerstars micro limit tables for a while? Any other advice for a guy who is looking to play often at the casino, but Isn't prepared to drop 60 bucks everytime?
Thanks!
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edudlive
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Limit is a totally different game than No Limit IMO. Stick to what you know.
Limit is a lot more about the math and odds.
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nme
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Join Date: Jul 2005
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Limit is a whole nother animal. start with smaller stakes so you can learn cheap
also. Buying in for so little is probably not the best idea.
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Jimmy Mac
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I haven't played any live limit, but online the variance is huge. I believe a 300BB bank roll is recommended for limit.
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jobupoker
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Straight
Join Date: May 2004
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I'm strictly a NL player and my first time in B&M was limit. I also lost all the money i bought in for but I didn't sweat it too much. I enjoyed just being in an actual casino and watching the people around me.
After that initial experience though I have played NL exclusively whenever I go to a B&M and I haven't lost money since then.
So I guess the short of it is just think of the $80 as paying for a lesson.
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Theeggman
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I've played a couple of B&M limit sessions and lost $ each time. I had more money behind me though. I rebought for another $100 when I lost the 1st $100 which helped me end up down only $40. You should give yourself a better chance to catch some hands and get paid by bringing more $ or playing at lower stakes.
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I'll be a rootin' tootin' shootin' damn fool, protectin' my chips.
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ChezJ
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you bought in with only 13 BB's and you're surprised you got wiped out?? that's like buying into a $0.50/$1 limit table with $13. absolutely ridiculous. lose merely 3 times at showdown and you're toast! at a $3/$6 game your minimum buyin needs to be $120-$150.
i once lost $500 at $3/$6 before finally getting dealt good hands that held up on the river. go read rilla's post on bankroll management before you step foot in another cardroom. or stick to NL if that's your forte. i find that most NL players suck shit at limit holdem.
ChezJ
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Gatlin Dan
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I have a friend who regularly plays 4/8 at a casino in AZ. He buys in for less than 100 bucks and can't figure out why he has to go home to tell the wife why he lost again.
When you buy in so short, you play scared. You pick one spot to make a move, and if it doesn't work, you're buyin more chips. Give yourself enough chips to maneuver a little with. If you don't feel comfortable sitting down at a 3/6 table with 200-300 dollars, you probably need to move down... You have to be able to take a beat without it crippling your buyin if you want to see results playing limit.
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Demiparadigm
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I average +4BBs/100 hands playing 3/6 limit.
I lost $300 today.
Does that answer your question?
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To win in poker you only need to be one step ahead of your opponents. Two steps may be detrimental.
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DoGGz
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Originally Posted by Demiparadigm
I average +4BBs/100 hands playing 3/6 limit.
I lost $300 today.
Does that answer your question?
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You are just a noob.
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outphase
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It sounds like you're trying to make the jump from a NL sng to a LHE ring game. Read Small Stakes Hold Em by Ed Miller.
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Originally Posted by lambchopdc
Lets stop talking ABC poker and move on to D, E, and F.
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Cawchy
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Join Date: Mar 2005
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Originally Posted by outphase
It sounds like you're trying to make the jump from a NL sng to a LHE ring game. Read Small Stakes Hold Em by Ed Miller.
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On its way from Amazon.ca. And I am going to play a bunch of micro limit poker on pokerstars.
My friend who buys in for the minimum every time has won over 300 dollars net profit... I just can't belive his luck!
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ChezJ
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Originally Posted by Cawchy
My friend who buys in for the minimum every time has won over 300 dollars net profit... I just can't belive his luck!
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over how many sessions... 2? then he's lucky. 5? then he's okay. 10? then he sucks. $300 is merely 50 BB. try not to focus too much on short term results, they are meaningless, like criticizing the great wall of china because there are some blocks missing here and there.
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FyrFytr998
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I've had the same problem going to Casinos also. A person has to remember that at a Casino. Playing a 2/4 or 3/6 table is like playing .50/1 or 1/2 online. Hell, even 4/8 is rife with bad players making insane draws.
And like it was said. NL and limit are two different games completely. Basic philosophies apply, but you get alot more people seeing the flop with speculative hands hoping to catch a good flop. And even more so in a Casino, because the majority of people are there to play, not wait on good hands all day.
So the next time out go play a NL table and see if your luck changes. Be warned though. The same principle applies. What ever limit you choose. Divide it in half and that's the level of competition you'll probably find. And adjust your play.
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DoGGz
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Originally Posted by FyrFytr998
So the next time out go play a NL table and see if your luck changes. Be warned though. The same principle applies. What ever limit you choose. Divide it in half and that's the level of competition you'll probably find. And adjust your play.
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eh..... I don't know about this. My 2-5nl live game plays more like party 25nl 6max then it does anything else. I do not complain.
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japanblows
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Join Date: Aug 2005
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I play .5/1 6 max games online and nl tournaments. I have found that your bets in limit hold em carry a lot less weight. If I have pocket aa in limit, all I can do is raise the big blind. Anyone with a group 1 hand or decent pair is going to call. You just can't drive people away from the pot in limit. You have to play tight and know when you are beat. For instance, someone could play j9 and pick up 2 pair because it is only going to cost them a couple of bucks. In no limit, these people would not play the same hands because you can raise 4xbb preflop. In limit you just have to know when to throw your cards in if you feel that your beat. Also, playing a higher limit game is not the answer. If you can't win at 3/6, you have no business playing 5/10 just because you think that the players will be less likely to play drawing hands. There are people who chase cards at all levels and they will bluff you to the max and shrink your roll. If you are going to play limit, pay very close attention to pot odds and starting hand criteria. Just because it costs you only .50 to see the flop, doesn't mean that you have to play more hands. If you have the cards bet them, if you don't then fold. Play tight and aggressive.
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FyrFytr998
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Originally Posted by doggz
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Originally Posted by FyrFytr998
So the next time out go play a NL table and see if your luck changes. Be warned though. The same principle applies. What ever limit you choose. Divide it in half and that's the level of competition you'll probably find. And adjust your play.
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eh..... I don't know about this. My 2-5nl live game plays more like party 25nl 6max then it does anything else. I do not complain. |
Is that your personal home game? Or the game you play at a Casino? Home games and play at the Casino are two different animals also.
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ManhattanMan
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Join Date: Apr 2005
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I'd suggest you try No Limit the next time you go. Like you, in my first real casino experience I played 2/4 Limit, because I thought No Limit would be too crazy for my first experience. However, the main problem was that I really had no Limit experience at all, because I played No Limit exclusively online. I basically broke even in my few limit experiences, but I found myself not enjoying the games too much.
Since I switched to No Limit, I've been doing pretty well. My recent Las Vegas trip was pretty successful. I exclusively played 1-2 No Limit games. Don't be intimidated by No Limit games, just play solidly. It's true that you can get washed out completely in one hand, even if you do everything 100% properly. However, when you consider you can lose a TON of money on one Limit Hand, it's not that much different.
Most No Limit games are more conservative than games you'll find online. Players online are weaker as a whole, and they are much looser. I've been at several tables where an aggressive style probably could have taken in a ton of pots. Indeed, at the Imperial Palace in Las Vegas I played on a table with a guy who went all in almost every hand, and he won a huge amount of money (before his reckless play caught up to him). Even in that game, the small 1-2 blinds allow you to sit and wait for good cards to challenge people.
If playing a No Limit cash game feels too risky at first, try a tournament first. You'll get to play some solid poker, though the blinds/antes will almost definitely go up more quickly than online (especially when you consider you see about half as many hands in person as online, in the course of an hour).
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Fnord
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Posts like this remind me that good books will always be ignored and misapplied.
You made my day, thanks.
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DaNutsInYoEye
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psst.... try SSH and Winning Low-Limit Hold'em as a start
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