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GahGah604
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03-31-2009, 10:07 PM
Post subject: the way I am running lately
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1/2 no limit edgewater, Vancouver, BC
Agroooo maniac in seat 2 over betting preflop with marginal hands (although sometimes he has the goods) We had some comments for one another. He raises to $27 bucks preflop 5/6 times in the last 3 rotations.
I am being patient waiting for a hand hoping to trap this maniac.
Anyway, I pick up big slick suited in early postion... I limp knowing this maniac may make it $30 to go again with trash. He pops it to $25, action comes back to me... I hummm and hawww and smooth call.
Flop Ace/2/2 = yucky but I keep repeating to myself "he does not have a 2, he does not have a 2" I check hoping to induce a bluff from this maniac. He checks.
Turn is a blank 9d, I bet $40 into a $60 pot. He min raises me, I am like... ok this guy is making a move 100% I push all in with about $170 more. He calls
River is a 6.
He turns over 6/2o to make a boat. WOWOWOWOW why do people get so lucky? I mean I knew what he was doing and he hits that big? Sometimes this game is so fustrating!
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pokerfan
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you are too result-oriented. If i trap him, i must either 3 bet preflop & shove on any flop or just limp/shove preflop.
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BankItDrew
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1) You made the mistake of slowplaying ace high preflop.\2) You made the mistake of shoving when you know "this guy is making a move 100%." Why are you shoving over a bluff? On a board like this your bluffing villain is drawing dead! Just call.
BTW, I'll be at Edgewater for a couple weeks in ten days. Care to link up?
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GahGah604
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Originally Posted by BankItDrew
1) You made the mistake of slowplaying ace high preflop.\2) You made the mistake of shoving when you know "this guy is making a move 100%." Why are you shoving over a bluff? On a board like this your bluffing villain is drawing dead! Just call.
BTW, I'll be at Edgewater for a couple weeks in ten days. Care to link up?
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I did not slow play my ace king preflop, I limped because I knew he would raise with trash... only mistake i made was not to reraise him to $100. I thought about it, then decided to smooth call. When the flop came down A/2/2... Who would believe he actually had a two in his hand. I was 90% sure he was making a move with the min raise on the flop based on his previous plays. This guy is very AAAAGROooooooo!
I shoved over his bluff (well I thought 90% this was a bluff) because I thought he would fold, and even if he did have some sort of hand maybe he would put me on a bluff and call with AQ or worse.
Honestly speaking, he got very lucky... he made a move and actually hit a boat with it.
Sure, lets link up... PM me
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Fnord
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How deep is the money?
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GahGah604
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How deep is the money?
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sorry forgot to mention that...
I am sitting with about $215, he has close to $900
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courtiebee
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BankItDrew wants to hook up with the all the Vancouverites.
Has he called any 3 bets yet? If so, I'd probably just 3 bet PF and push the flop. Has he been crazy aggro post flop too? What does he think of you? I'm assuming he thinks you're tight because you said you'd been waiting for a hand.
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bjsaust
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Originally Posted by GahGah604
I shoved over his bluff (well I thought 90% this was a bluff) because I thought he would fold
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I dont get it. Why do you want him to fold his bluffs?
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Just playing to improve.
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Fnord
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Originally Posted by Fnord
How deep is the money?
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sorry forgot to mention that...
I am sitting with about $215, he has close to $900 |
$80 pre-flop, shove flop in the dark. GAMB00L.
If it makes you feel any better I got nearly $1400 in bad tonight with my TT vs drunk's KK. I felt so bad after I sucked out that I drank with him, straddled a bunch and took another couple hundred off the table. Would have made a killing if I didn't have to fold KK post-flop after calling the drunks second all-in comeback push "in the dark" and getting called in two more spots.
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GahGah604
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How deep is the money?
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sorry forgot to mention that...
I am sitting with about $215, he has close to $900 |
$80 pre-flop, shove flop in the dark. GAMB00L.
If it makes you feel any better I got nearly $1400 in bad tonight with my TT vs drunk's KK. I felt so bad after I sucked out that I drank with him, straddled a bunch and took another couple hundred off the table. Would have made a killing if I didn't have to fold KK post-flop after calling the drunks second all-in comeback push "in the dark" and getting called in two more spots. |
ok i feel much better now lol
I made some money back tonight anyway 
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GahGah604
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I shoved over his bluff (well I thought 90% this was a bluff) because I thought he would fold
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I dont get it. Why do you want him to fold his bluffs? |
I wanted to take the pot right there! I don't think he would 3 barrell it anyway.
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bjsaust
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So if hes on a bluff you want 100% that he folds instead of...any percent that he tries a 3-barrel. At the very worst he's turned a PP or 9X into a bluff and is drawing to 2 outs.
You need to read up on EV.
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Just playing to improve.
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GahGah604
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Originally Posted by bjsaust
So if hes on a bluff you want 100% that he folds instead of...any percent that he tries a 3-barrel. At the very worst he's turned a PP or 9X into a bluff and is drawing to 2 outs.
You need to read up on EV.
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I know what EV is. I obviously want a call if he is bluffing... it just came out wrong.
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Taicho
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So if hes on a bluff you want 100% that he folds instead of...any percent that he tries a 3-barrel. At the very worst he's turned a PP or 9X into a bluff and is drawing to 2 outs.
You need to read up on EV.
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I know what EV is. I obviously want a call if he is bluffing... it just came out wrong. |
...how often do people call an all-in with a bluff? The point he was making is if you put the guy on a bluff, you don't want to push him out of the pot, and by shoving there's no way you're getting any more chips out of him.
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GahGah604
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So if hes on a bluff you want 100% that he folds instead of...any percent that he tries a 3-barrel. At the very worst he's turned a PP or 9X into a bluff and is drawing to 2 outs.
You need to read up on EV.
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I know what EV is. I obviously want a call if he is bluffing... it just came out wrong. |
...how often do people call an all-in with a bluff? The point he was making is if you put the guy on a bluff, you don't want to push him out of the pot, and by shoving there's no way you're getting any more chips out of him. |
I agree, your right. As I said... it came out wrong.
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bjsaust
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No, you just plain played it wrong. By shoving you narrowed his range to hands that beat you, by calling you keep his bluffs in. I dont know why you're having so much trouble figuring this out.
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mxiu
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what a trap you laid by limp calling AKs lol
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nibbles
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Yeah, this was misplayed from the start. The limp call is just asking for trouble. If villain pairs and you don't, you are now behind. The limp call works best with AA / KK. The maniac raised like you hoped, so that was the time to punish him with the stiff 3bet. As played you put yourself in a bad spot as you still have no idea what he had, but I'm fairly certain even the newest noob had your range pegged (as you were playing tight and involved in this hand from early position). On that board the only hands that give you action are the hands that have you beat. When you shoved all in, were you expecting villain to make the bluff call?
Next time limp reraise big (3x his bet). Especially when villain overbets so much. Even if he folds you'd take 14 big blinds off him. Not bad for ace high. And if he calls, you can put on some sort of hand. I don't know many maniacs that call a 40 big blind bet with nothing (outside of the penny tables).
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GahGah604
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Originally Posted by nibbles
Yeah, this was misplayed from the start. The limp call is just asking for trouble. If villain pairs and you don't, you are now behind. The limp call works best with AA / KK. The maniac raised like you hoped, so that was the time to punish him with the stiff 3bet. As played you put yourself in a bad spot as you still have no idea what he had, but I'm fairly certain even the newest noob had your range pegged (as you were playing tight and involved in this hand from early position). On that board the only hands that give you action are the hands that have you beat. When you shoved all in, were you expecting villain to make the bluff call?
Next time limp reraise big (3x his bet). Especially when villain overbets so much. Even if he folds you'd take 14 big blinds off him. Not bad for ace high. And if he calls, you can put on some sort of hand. I don't know many maniacs that call a 40 big blind bet with nothing (outside of the penny tables).
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Really though, I did not misplay this hand that badly... I was there for 2 hours seeing this maniac play. I had a plan and he just got very lucky which sucks.
I agree with the 3bet, I was going to but then decided at the last moment to smooth call. I was sure he had trash but he could have had a weak king or any weaker ace. If the flop shows an ace, which it did... I would have got a lot of money in this hand. I did set a nice trap with ace king, what are the frigging odds he hits a set, then rivers a full house with 6/2o? not very high! I normally can dump A/K easily, the fact is.. it is hard to put someone on a 2 when the board comes out with two 2's lol especially when he raised it to $25 preflop with 6/2o
It was just one of those hands, did I learn from it? yes and no.. I learned that I should have 3bet it hard, I also learned that some people just get so lucky(even when they make a play) He was playing big stack poker, I knew it though and I waited for a spot. Just did not work out this hand.
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GahGah604
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Originally Posted by bjsaust
No, you just plain played it wrong. By shoving you narrowed his range to hands that beat you, by calling you keep his bluffs in. I dont know why you're having so much trouble figuring this out.
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I knowwwwwwwwwwww. I am not a donkey and I understand! My money would have went in on the river anyway. Same result so meh!
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