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Old 07-12-2009, 04:55 AM     Post subject: Two pair vs weird action #1 (permalink)  
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I don't get the feeling that anyone at this game knows/understands position. So my calling position is only for descriptive purposes.

UTG+1 is shortish stack (most of the table was under 100bb), 45bb. He had donk overbet a couple pots. Only one was shown down out of 4. I don't remember the results so it wasn't too weird.

CO is a gambooler. 300 bb deep because he called a $150 bet into a $100 pot and someone behind also called. CO had OESD.

Action:
UTG+1 open limps, MP calls, CO raises to $10, I call with AsTs, UTG+1 calls, MP folds.

Flop is AJTr
UTG+1 shoves $71 into a ~$35 pot. I'm ready to snap call because he's short, except CO snap calls.

It's $71 to me with a $175 pot, and both me and CO have $200 behind.

I'm playing slightly scared money, but I snap call AJ (shipping any turn) and I want to fold AT. Stupid?
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Old 07-12-2009, 05:19 AM #2 (permalink)  
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What kind of hand is CO raising with pre-flop? It's pretty clear he wants to play a big pot....

That said, I would go all-in and lose because that's what I do these days...
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Old 07-12-2009, 10:03 AM #3 (permalink)  
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Against a more thinking opponent I would just call and bet smallish on a blank turn and river.
I think you're fine as long as you don't fold.
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Old 07-12-2009, 06:48 PM #5 (permalink)  
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 What happened after the flop?
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Old 07-13-2009, 12:42 AM #6 (permalink)  
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Quote:
Originally Posted by mxiu
shove over all day long
Maybe I'm just reacting to a little downswing, but I don't think this is a trivial shove.

Here is your equity against a pretty tight range of CO hands:
44,550 games 0.389 secs 114,524 games/sec

Board: Ac Jd Th
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 42.502% 40.69% 01.81% 18128 806.50 { AsTs }
Hand 1: 57.498% 55.69% 01.81% 24809 806.50 { AA, JJ-TT, ATs+, KQs, JTs, AQo+, KQo, JTo }


How much do you want to widen his range from there?
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Old 07-16-2009, 05:12 PM #7 (permalink)  

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Even if u push all in i wouldnt be suprised if CO calls with a straight flush draw as well but regardless i would push cuz i would think i have him beatif he is already playing a wide range of hands before the flop
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Old 07-17-2009, 03:58 AM     Post subject: Re: Two pair vs weird action #8 (permalink)  

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CO is a gambooler. 300 bb deep because he called a $150 bet into a $100 pot and someone behind also called. CO had OESD.

I'm ready to snap call because he's short, except CO snap calls.
I think you have to shove becuase, as you point out earlier the post, CO likes to gamble. This means he could easily be calling with AK or a draw. You won't always win the hand, but I suspect you are good here often enough to justify getting in the all-in.
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 BTV, it's rainbow flop, he doesn't have a flush draw.

VTR, in that pot he calls pre, in this hand he raises pre.

As is I folded because I was thinking ranges like Fnord posted. Turns out he had Q9s and didn't get there. Short stack had JTo, for one of the few hands I beat. Adding Q9s still doesn't help our hand.

I thought about this on the way home, but after running stove I think folding is fine. If I had any reason to think villains were getting out of line it would be different, but who bluffs at that flop? Use those hand ranges vs 2 villains, and we're 28% (I did have backdoor flush draw).

With AJs my hand goes up quite a bit making it an easier call.
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Old 07-18-2009, 10:26 AM #10 (permalink)  
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How much do you want to widen his range from there?
If he's a gambooler, I could see him having any ace really. Although I don't immediately think straight draws are in his overbet calling range - there has been history of it. Hell, you could probably throw QQ/KK into his range here. Given we have blockers for AA and TT, I don't think we play badly against his range at all.

His snap call weights his range towards AK/AQ imo. 1 pair'ish type hands that we have crushed most of the time.
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