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Old 10-20-2008, 02:29 PM     Post subject: Two deep-stacked home game hands #1 (permalink)  
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Six-handed home game with 25p/25p blinds. Some of the other players are playing maniac for fun. On the whole I think they're probably better players than me, even if they may be a bit too macho for their own good. I've been running pretty good, sucking out big time once, getting bluffed into when I held decent hands, and having my cbets respected.
Comments on the following two hands would be appreciated.

Hand 1:

I'm dealt A Q in SB. It's folded to me, I raise to £1, BB calls. BB hasn't been playing that many hands, and has won his pots without showdown. Effective stacks are about £60.
Flop is Q J 5. I bet pot (£2), BB raises to £6. I figure I don't want to bloat the pot on the flop with TPTK out of position, so I call.
Turn is 9. I check with the intention of check-raising, but BB checks behind.
River is 3. I bet £5 (pot was £14), BB raises to £33 (pot raise). He's either betting the flush or bluffing with a hand I have beat, right? If he has the flush, would he not bet less? He certainly doesn't have the nuts, since I hold the A.
I think my turn play is pretty bad in any case. If I didn't want to bloat the pot on the flop then it makes no sense to CR the turn. Leading turn for £8 and folding to a raise might have saved me a headache. My river bet was perhaps also on the wimpy side, but I didn't count the pot carefully.

Hand 2:

I'm dealt TT on the button. UTG raises to £1.25. He seems happy to play any two cards and make big plays. A couple of hands ago he bet £50 into a £16 pot on the river with board showing 82242 (his opponent folded). Our only recent history is an Omaha hand where he check-called me on every street; I made a runner-runner boat and won a decent pot.
It folds to me. I think my hand is good against UTG's range and I have position. I want to make sure I'm the aggressor in any hand I play with him, so I 3-bet to £4. UTG calls. Effective stacks are about £95.
Flop is 664 rainbow. UTG checks, I bet £5 (pot was £8.50), UTG calls. I'm not too worried, since I think he's likely to call with lots of random hands if he thinks there's a chence he can steal the pot on later streets.
Turn is K, putting a second club on the board. UTG bets £11.50 (pot was £18.50). I think he may well have called the flop with Kx (or with trip sixes for that matter), but I think it's more likely that he guesses (correctly) that the K is a scare card for me. He could also have picked up a flush draw. I think for a while and raise to £30, mostly hoping to take the pot down right there, but UTG calls.
River is an off-suit 9. UTG checks. The pot is £78.50, and there's about £55 left behind. The pot is big enough that I'm tempted to attempt to buy it. Would pushing fold any hand that has me beat?
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Old 10-21-2008, 03:04 AM #2 (permalink)  
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 hand 1 i would have bet closer to 10 on the riv and folded to a raise, as played i fold.

hand 2 i'm probably just calling but 3b seems okay. turn is a weird spot, by your description seems like the kinda guy to call down with AK, KQ, etc on the flop. i would have just called the turn bet, if you raise and hope he folds doesn't that mean you're bluffing? on the river i'm checking behind. do you think he would fold a kinger?

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Old 10-22-2008, 08:01 AM #3 (permalink)  
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 Hand1: His flop and turn play is a good indication of a drawing hand, he raised the flop in order to get a free card on the turn. The other option is that he thought you were c-betting and tried to pick up the pot. Once you checked the turn and he checked behind you should check-call the river. Given our options he either has the flush or close to nothing, if he has the flush he will raise you and if he does not he will not pay you, if you check you give him an option to bluff

Hand2: I would check behind on the river, while he may pay you off with 77-99 I would play it safe and check


 
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Old 10-23-2008, 12:42 PM #4 (permalink)  
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hand 2 i'm probably just calling but 3b seems okay. turn is a weird spot, by your description seems like the kinda guy to call down with AK, KQ, etc on the flop. i would have just called the turn bet, if you raise and hope he folds doesn't that mean you're bluffing? on the river i'm checking behind. do you think he would fold a kinger?
Turn raise was partly to protect; even if I'm ahead he's likely to have at least 6 outs or possibly a flush draw, so I didn't want to give a free card. If I just call then I expect him to bet the river and give me a difficult decision. By raising I hope that even if he calls he will check the river and allow me to show down the hand on my terms. If he pushes then I believe that I'm beat.
I did eventually come to my senses and decide that he wouldn't fold if he had me beat, so I checked behind.

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Hand1: His flop and turn play is a good indication of a drawing hand, he raised the flop in order to get a free card on the turn. The other option is that he thought you were c-betting and tried to pick up the pot. Once you checked the turn and he checked behind you should check-call the river. Given our options he either has the flush or close to nothing, if he has the flush he will raise you and if he does not he will not pay you, if you check you give him an option to bluff
Sounds like good advice. My reasoning at the time was that he might have flopped a pair, raised for info, and sought a cheap showdown when I called, but might call a small value bet. I folded in the end.

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Hand2: I would check behind on the river, while he may pay you off with 77-99 I would play it safe and check
Good read: when I checked behind he did indeed show 99. You missed the bit about the 9 on the river though... I'm curious what his plan for the turn call was. Did he figure that he is ahead sufficiently often, or did he plan to push any blank river? Maybe rep the flush draw if it hits?
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