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Fnord
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02-09-2009, 04:36 AM
Post subject: TPTK (BkDoor NFD) into a live train wreck
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My image is semi-tight and aggressive. I've been c-betting and two-barreling a lot.
Stacks:
Me: ~$1200
BN (LAggy, but plays ok on big streets): ~$1700
BB (semi-tight, passiveish) ~$1200
I raise to $40 from EP with :Ac: :Kc:, BN and BB call.
~$120 in the pot.
:Ad:  
BB checks
I bet $80
BN raises to $180
I think the BN would flat or raise bigger with a draw. I'm not sure if he's playing back or flopped 2pr/set.
BB tanks hard. He almost mucks and it's clear he hates life. I don't think it's an act. He mans up and re-raises to $400. I really think he's on a draw of some sort or has AQ.
All-in and folding look to be the best options. Which is it?
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Fnord
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Wow, no one wants to touch this one?
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Silly String
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Cuss under your breath about those damn ace magnets and fold. With this much behind, I muck with little to no thought. Call me a nit but OOP to the raiser & a check-reraiser is not a hand I want to play with TPTK anymore. You may have the BB beat but it is going to be expensive to find out if we beat the BU. I stoved a reasonable range and we're 42/58 dogs. Also BB might be holding some of our outs.
Folding the best hand is sometimes a part of profitable poker.
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Playing live . . . thanks alot Bin Laden.
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lol I started writing out a reply last night but it hurt my head so much.
Okay I'll ask some questions. If you've been c betting a lot and if the BN flopped big, would he not worry that raising (any amount) will take you out of the pot? Especially if you've been double barreling? I suppose since the board is super scary and since there's another player in the pot, he would feel like he absolutely has to raise?
I'm confused as to why a passive(ish) player would be 3 betting here with a draw. I'm definitely more scared of him than of the BN - is this wrong?
This hand is so gross!
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Originally Posted by Fnord
Why poker fucks with our heads: it's the master that beats you for bringing in the paper, then gives you a milkbone for peeing on the carpet.
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yeah I'd just fold this too.
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"This sure beats Super Mario Bros.!" is my ejaculation catch phrase.
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donkbee
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Originally Posted by Silly String
With this much behind, I muck with little to no thought.
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To me, this hand is a lot more difficult than you're giving it credit for because there are so many draws and because of fnord's image.
fnord: if you didn't have the backdoor flush draw, would you muck for sure?
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Originally Posted by Fnord
Why poker fucks with our heads: it's the master that beats you for bringing in the paper, then gives you a milkbone for peeing on the carpet.
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Fnord
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Originally Posted by courtiebee
because of fnord's image.
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...and not being sure WTF the LAgg is at.
...and the BB giving legit weak signals.
Oh, I'm going to post the hand right after this too where I was pot stuck to shove $500 into an over $2k pot....
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If you're making your decision in an all-in vs fold spot with this much money behind and considering a BDFD as tipping you toward calling, you should quit poker. Little harsh, but that adds like one out to your equity.
Now you probably posted before I edited, but stove the BU range and tell me what you come up with. I still think this is a pretty easy fold with little money involved. We are a little ahead or way behind. Fold and use that $1100 at the titty bars.
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Playing live . . . thanks alot Bin Laden.
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Fnord
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I played soooo bad last night.
I shove
LAgg insta-calls (opps!)
BB folds   face up! (with about $800 behind)
I fastroll my hand, "I think you got me"
LAgg replies "You got 5 outs"
turn: 
river: 
LAgg mucks and goes on wild monkey tilt (was already upset that I called his check/raise earlier with bottom pair and got there.)
BB is pissed and LAgg chews him out for making such an idiodic fold "but I thought I was drawing dead...."
(all of this on top of the guy that DARED me to double barrel him again last orbit.)
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LOL at check-raising 75s OOP with the intention of folding to a shove.
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Playing live . . . thanks alot Bin Laden.
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Fnord
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I can't make this shit up.
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I love reading Fnord's live posts 
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Silly String
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Originally Posted by Fnord
Oh, I'm going to post the hand right after this too where I was pot stuck to shove $500 into an over $2k pot....
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Where dis?
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Playing live . . . thanks alot Bin Laden.
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ChezJ
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so BN had 87?
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Fnord
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He didn't show, but yeah that's what he pretty much said.
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03-01-2009, 01:38 PM
Post subject: Re: TPTK (BkDoor NFD) into a live train wreck
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Quote:
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Originally Posted by Fnord
My image is semi-tight and aggressive. I've been c-betting and two-barreling a lot.
Stacks:
Me: ~$1200
BN (LAggy, but plays ok on big streets): ~$1700
BB (semi-tight, passiveish) ~$1200
I raise to $40 from EP with :Ac: :Kc:, BN and BB call.
~$120 in the pot.
:Ad:
BB checks
I bet $80
BN raises to $180
I think the BN would flat or raise bigger with a draw. I'm not sure if he's playing back or flopped 2pr/set.
BB tanks hard. He almost mucks and it's clear he hates life. I don't think it's an act. He mans up and re-raises to $400. I really think he's on a draw of some sort or has AQ.
All-in and folding look to be the best options. Which is it? |
all in shove. there is some fold equity there and u still got outs.
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I read your original post, and tried to make a decision before I got the results.... I woiuld like to think I would have folded to wait for a better spot to get my 1200 in, but I've called here so many times it's sick.
It is a leak in my game. I've seen so many moves that it all starts to look like one BIG move sometimes. Clearly, it's usually not a move, and I am usually waaaayyy behind with TPTK.
I hope I'd fold, but like I said, it's a leak I have to get under control. The guys I play with are too weak to make this move very often.
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