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Fnord
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06-15-2009, 01:14 AM
Post subject: Top 2 vs FTR Reg
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Opponent is a regular on FTR who's beaten somewhat higher online games than me and has been playing a bunch of live.
My image is semi-tight and aggressive. Caught bluffing, shown some hands, etc. etc.
$1/$2 $600 effective stack depth.
One terrible limper, I raise :Js:  from the HJ.
FTR guys calls on the button "Just you and me Fnord?"
BB wants to see a flop.
Limper came to see a flop too.
~$40 in the flop
  
Checked to me, I bet $30, FTR guy calls in rythm, the rest of the dead money folds
~$100 turn
I bet $75, FTR guy calls without thinking about it.
~$250
I check....
Thoughts?
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jyms
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FTR guy knows your capable of all sorts here, and likes his hand for a showdown. I think betting here gets value where a check is likely giving his hand a free showdown , exactly what he wants vs fnord
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Fnord
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Originally Posted by jyms
FTR guy knows your capable of all sorts here, and likes his hand for a showdown.
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I think a lot of his weaker showdown value hands have to think before calling a turn bet.
Put him on a range of hands and weight them given the information we have so far...
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dev
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Well I guess it's between b/c, b/f and c/c. b/c and b/f both really suck so I guess c/c is the way to go.
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Check out my self-deprecation here!
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Fnord
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Originally Posted by dev
Well I guess it's between b/c, b/f and c/c. b/c and b/f both really suck so I guess c/c is the way to go.
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check/raise would be total spew?
Give me some ranges? I'm curious how close mine are to other's....
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jyms
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FTR'r is callin pre w/22-88, suited gappers, KJs, QTs ,Axo SCs and the odd JJ+. I'm thinking they 3bet most bigger hands and a couple not so great cards so very few hands are scary on this flop.
calling the flop is still a decent range of hands 66-99, any overs and backdoor str8, gutters and FD's. So JT's+, 56s and the like, A9s.
On the turn I figure your firing like almost 100% so raising it isn't getting him anywhere , for me I call the turn with my monsters and my prayers this deep but I aint him and I am a station. I think we are looking at 66-99 but weighted to 88, KJs and QTs. With this range, correct or not I am probably calling most reasonable bets on the river after the check.
tough to not think about game play over the hand ranges of a reg in a game played in Vegas this weekend. leveling oneself is as easy as the other. How serious was the game until this time for FTR'r sitting at a $1/$2 table?
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Fnord
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Rest of the table was pretty much fish and nitty Vegas regs. He had just sat out for dinner and came back. Not much bullshit back and forth durring hands. Just not my style.
Yeah, LoL at folding to a river bet here if we check. We're a favorte for one big bet and I'm still not sure if we're still in good shape if it all gets in.
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sk8r_daniel
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Preflop:
A8s+ ATo-AQs..
22-JJ..,
broadways, suited connectors and one gappers.
On flop: he is likely floating a bunch with overs, gut shots, straight draws. 88, 66. He may or may not raise sets and top pair type hands.
AFTER TURN CALL:
8T
JT
Maybe QT or 68 depending on how much he really wants to outplay you or ignore pot odds.. maybe...88
J9.
Discounting sets since he hasnt raised.
RIVER:
I like the check since I get the vibe that he is calling to outplay and may fire a barrel on the river with his missed draws, or may even think his JT is good. You also save money by check calling when he has a straight or set(discounted).
I don't like the check raise, because he isnt going to call when your'e ahead unless he has J7. If you REAlly think he is air balling you may want to put in the checkraise for metagame purposes(becoming unpredictable, using river checkraise later on for value bets).
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Fnord
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If he raises a set on the flop, he sucks so hard at poker and I would have to kick him in the nuts just for spiting me.
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sk8r_daniel
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I would personally never raise a set on the flop, but would definitly think about it on the turn. Hoping to play for stacks. Although the board is pretty dry so I may peel off one more to value the river.
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BankItDrew
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The only weaker hand that is calling a river bet is an overpair, and even this is unlikely
The turn was a  and the river was a  , you must have had the
Very nice river check imo because: with a float villain folds to bet and bets to a check, with a set raises a bet and bets to a check, with a straight does the same as a set, and with two pair one bet is going in regardless.
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sk8r_daniel
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Well, than there are alot more draws in your range on the turn then. Doesnt really change the river play because those draws still miss and arent going to call a value bet.
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BankItDrew
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If it makes any difference: I'm confident in saying that there were zero limpers. You got the sb and bb to tag along for the ride.
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Fnord
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Yeah, this is from memory. I remember a turned flush draw as a non-factor in my decision process and the low flop card and river as blankish rags. I also wasn't on Adderall and it showed.
Anyway, looking back at this hand I think I over-bet the dryish flop a tad and a wider range would do well with a $25/$60ish line.
Also I'm certain there was a limper because the Button totally overlooked him, the SB short stack called and the tight super-passive BB folded.
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mxiu
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where did u guys play together, i thought u were in vegas fnord?
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GatorJH
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sounds like this was the cash game during/after the tourney.
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pocketfours
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Originally Posted by Fnord
check/raise would be total spew?
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Board is way too dry for that.
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Miffed22001
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Originally Posted by BankItDrew
The only weaker hand that is calling a river bet is an overpair, and even this is unlikely
The turn was a and the river was a , you must have had the
Very nice river check imo because: with a float villain folds to bet and bets to a check, with a set raises a bet and bets to a check, with a straight does the same as a set, and with two pair one bet is going in regardless. |
why is JT not in his range - only scanned the replies but id pot the river
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BankItDrew
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FWIW
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Girlfriend: Why are the werewolves more important than living life?!
Girlfriend: Are you on the forums doing the werewolves again?
Girlfriend: Soo... you forgot to run that errand, but you had time to werewolf? Wtf?
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sk8r_daniel
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If he potted the river and I had JT I would fold.
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mxiu
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Originally Posted by BankItDrew
FWIW
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Fnord
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Impressive turn snap.
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BankItDrew
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TY both
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Girlfriend: Why are the werewolves more important than living life?!
Girlfriend: Are you on the forums doing the werewolves again?
Girlfriend: Soo... you forgot to run that errand, but you had time to werewolf? Wtf?
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mxiu
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given results, we now know 75 on the river to induce a shove (which he will like 95%) is the best play here rite
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BankItDrew
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Originally Posted by mxiu
given results, we now know 75 on the river to induce a shove (which he will like 95%) is the best play here rite
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Fair assessment.
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Girlfriend: Why are the werewolves more important than living life?!
Girlfriend: Are you on the forums doing the werewolves again?
Girlfriend: Soo... you forgot to run that errand, but you had time to werewolf? Wtf?
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