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Rupeni
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02-11-2010, 06:03 AM
Post subject: Starting hands at the casino?
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Interested to hear people's thoughts... have found whenever I'm running bad trimming my starting hands gets me right back on track, but I like to play alot of hands. At the local casino, I'm playing like A-T,K-J, any pair, any SC, Axs from any position, and like Kxs, Q-T,Q9s, from late position. obviously playing hands like AT,AJ,KJ cautiously from EP, I do quite well at the casino but get killed online... why's that? ppl just playing way less hands?
Should only be playing Axs from LP?
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oskar
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By A-T you mean AT+ or what?
Playing any SC and A2s+ from EP in a full-ring game is pretty damn loose. Do you open raise all of that or do you limp/call limp/fold?
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Rupeni
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yeah A-T meaning AT+ nah raising in EP with AQ+TT+, limp/call/fold with SC/Axs depending on player, size of bet, stack sizes... mid to late raising pre with quite a lot more e.g KJ KQ AJ ATs etc.... what's a good range of hands online? does skanksly's or whatever his name is starting hand chart ring true? quite surprising to me some of his hands eg A6,7,8... not a big fan
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LawDude
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In live limit, you should play tight-aggressive or LAGTAG if the game is tough, and you can loosen up with decent cards and position in limped pots if the game is loose.
In live no limit, you shouldn't be open-limping anything, but you can limp behind limpers a wide, wide variety of holdings IF you are playing against deep effective stacks, have decent position, and are not likely to get raised by the players acting later.
In other words, you shouldn't be open-limping your suited connectors from early position. If you feel you can play them out of position, raise them, and if you can't, fold them. But you can play all sorts of things (even weaker hands than suited connectors) in late position in a limped pot.
EDIT: By the way, you can also raise lots of things in limped pots too, either for isolation or for value.
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Fnord
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Play tighter out of position.
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sk8r_daniel
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When switching from live casino to online you have to deal with your win rate decreasing 10 fold. And you have to play way tighter because people dont just throw chips at you for no reason so you need solid values.
And trust me, play tight in EP even in live , you will win much more. Only open limp if the table is ridiculously passive with everyone limping and then making mistakes post flop.
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pokerfan
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02-15-2010, 09:40 PM
Post subject: Re: Starting hands at the casino?
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Originally Posted by Rupeni
At the local casino, I'm playing like A-T,K-J, any pair, any SC, Axs from any position, and like Kxs, Q-T,Q9s, from late position.
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I dont play ATo and KJo in EP at casino.Also, I can assure you that Its really not profitable to play SC and Axs(low kicker) types of hands OOP vs loose players in live games. You'd better learn how to value bet at casino rather than focus on starting hands.
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I might play A-5os in MP since it is the best imo to make the wheel. In a game with not alot of pre flop raising I will play AX suited from EP if I flop the flush I have the nuts. If I get 2 0f the suit on the flop I can raise some of the players ot since as someoine said even a player with trips fears the flush
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Rupeni
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Cheers guys, solid stuff
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eugmac
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I might play A-5os in MP since it is the best imo to make the wheel. In a game with not alot of pre flop raising I will play AX suited from EP if I flop the flush I have the nuts. If I get 2 0f the suit on the flop I can raise some of the players ot since as someoine said even a player with trips fears the flush
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Okay so my comments below pertain to NL games live (original post doesn't specifiy limit, PL, NL...)
Err I don't ever play A5o in order to try to make a wheel... Maybe once in a while, when a few people are taking a break, and all the sudden the table is playing short handed, you might raise with some junk like that preflop (or almost anything) when you've got position. Also I don't open-limp SC or Axs, but I'll happily play it them if there's at least one or two limpers ahead of me, which is already nearly a guarantee that this pot is going to be multi-way postflop, which is exactly what you want with this kind of hand.
I think it's a pretty bad idea at these loose passive games to make it a habit of raising people when you have a flush draw because you have no fold equity against them. Sure, casino players are more afraid of flushes than they should be, but they're also certainly not going to fold trips on a two-tone flop! So I don't really understand your strategy.
Like it's been said already, I fold a lot of stuff UTG like AT, KJ, SC, Axs... I think I also open limp a small pair here too often to be profitable [LEAK!], I don't know. I just hate giving up a chance to flop sets. >.<
On the button or cutoff, just play a lot of hands. Use your position. I'm limping behind here a ton of hands, and raising my big hands pretty big when I want to cut down the field.
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Rupeni
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Originally Posted by eugmac
Okay so my comments below pertain to NL games live (original post doesn't specifiy limit, PL, NL...)
I think it's a pretty bad idea at these loose passive games to make it a habit of raising people when you have a flush draw because you have no fold equity against them. Sure, casino players are more afraid of flushes than they should be, but they're also certainly not going to fold trips on a two-tone flop! So I don't really understand your strategy.
Like it's been said already, I fold a lot of stuff UTG like AT, KJ, SC, Axs... I think I also open limp a small pair here too often to be profitable [LEAK!], I don't know. I just hate giving up a chance to flop sets. >.<
On the button or cutoff, just play a lot of hands. Use your position. I'm limping behind here a ton of hands, and raising my big hands pretty big when I want to cut down the field.
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cheers mate... can tell this is an on to it post... man cash games are alot diff to sngs eh! cheers
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