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IowaSkinsFan
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10-27-2005, 12:05 AM
Post subject: The Stare at the table
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Another tell i pick up is if a guy stares straight down at the table after an all in raise, and can't and won't even look at you, he most likely doesn't want you to call. Either a bluff or semi bluff.
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Fnord
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10-27-2005, 12:07 AM
Post subject: Re: The Stare at the table
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Originally Posted by IowaSkinsFan
Another tell i pick up is if a guy stares straight down at the table after an all in raise, and can't and won't even look at you, he most likely doesn't want you to call. Either a bluff or semi bluff.
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...or he doesn't want to discourage you from calling. Caro warns about guys trying to be invisable. It's a really tricky tell to pick up on and you need to actually see the "ninja bet/raise" a few times to start to pick up on it. Even then it's pretty fuzzy.
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lamaros
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Often the guy hiding from me doesn't want to give anything away. Which can mean he wants a call and doesn't want to give away his monster, or is bluffing and doesn't want to give it away... or it can mean something else.
Tells don't indicate what specific cards somoene has. It depends on the individual what the specific tell might indicate with respect to their cards.
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Fnord
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Originally Posted by lamaros
Tells don't indicate what specific cards somoene has. It depends on the individual what the specific tell might indicate with respect to their cards.
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This is a key point. Tells give away what someone else thinks of their hand. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. A fishy player could very well give you a monster tell when he's holding bottom 2.
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pokerfanatic
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I think the biggest misconception about tells is they give you the persons exact holdings... that's just flat out wrong... as Fnord said they let you key into and narrow down the range of hands that you have them on already...
Because most of us are online players we never look at anyone face to face but yet we still win, that should tell you alone that tells don’t give a players 2 down cards, ability to play the beating patterns and read the boards does tells just narrow down a range you already have made on that particular player by saying they are tight or loose PF…
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lamaros
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Tells don't narrow down their range of holdings, they give you literal information, it's up to you to work out what that information means. But if you have a good read on a player then a tell will allow you to have a good idea of what kind of hand he's holding.
If I get a tell from a guy knowing that he plays loose or tight pre-flop doesn't really help me out. Knowing that he does that tell when he's bluffing does. Knowing that I've seem him play monster hands before, and he did that on none of them, tells tells me something.
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pokerfanatic
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Originally Posted by lamaros
Tells don't narrow down their range of holdings, they give you literal information, it's up to you to work out what that information means. But if you have a good read on a player then a tell will allow you to have a good idea of what kind of hand he's holding.
If I get a tell from a guy knowing that he plays loose or tight pre-flop doesn't really help me out. Knowing that he does that tell when he's bluffing does. Knowing that I've seem him play monster hands before, and he did that on none of them, tells tells me something.
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you mistook what I was saying, I figured the readers would be smart enough to realize that tells are just raw data and the mind has to turn it into information to in turn use it to narrow down hands, next time I won’t make assumptions...
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“Dream as if you’ll live forever. Live as if you’ll die today.” ~ James Dean ~
"Poker is a lot like sex, peoples perceived ability usually blinds the truth" ~ me ~
"God bless him. Got to bet big to win big! GAMB00L!!!" ~ Fnord
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cartilago77
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10-27-2005, 04:11 PM
Post subject: Re: The Stare at the table
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Originally Posted by IowaSkinsFan
Another tell i pick up is if a guy stares straight down at the table after an all in raise, and can't and won't even look at you, he most likely doesn't want you to call. Either a bluff or semi bluff.
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that is funny since all i ever do is look down at the table and will not look at someone when i want a call.
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saxdaddy
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In live games I count the dots on the cards on the table. I do this if I am bluffing or not for lack of something better to do. If I do this regardless, it is not a tell. Am I right?
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IowaSkinsFan
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Maybe these tells only apply to the peeps i play with....
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