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Thunder
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03-19-2009, 07:39 PM
Post subject: Standard of Live Play (UK)
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Flush
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: England
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I played my 1st live event last week at the G (£30 rebuy) and was surprised at the amount of players per hand, the passiveness of the play - loads of limpers and if anyone raises they all call the reraise. It seemed more like a cash game - especially with check being the favourite play instead of bet. As you all know, this style of play is strongly discouraged by most poker authorities.
I played Mon night too and the same occured. Is this because live players are weaker than online or is this how good players play? From what I saw, with people paying over the odds to chase draws, and laggy types playing like Gus Hansen, I'd go for the former but I don't really know and there are obviously going to be people who know what they're doing. And when I see people win with weak ish hands I can't tell if they're super awesome or terribad.
Eg on Mon night, a guy to my left twice went/called all in with just top pair. He won so I am as much open to him having an excellent read on his opps as I am open to him being a level 0 player who just plays his cards and marries TPTK.
As an example: blinds at 50/100 and a flop of 9d Qc 4c, a tight opp who had played and won just one hand in the opening hour bet 3/4 pot of 400, he raised 1200 and opp thought before moving all in for his remaiing 6500. Yet he called with just Qs Kh.
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Ablarrrr
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Join Date: Jun 2008
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If its a rebuy people are going to play more crazy to try and collect chips are they not?
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Thunder
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I should have stated, the 1st tourney was 1 rebuy only and Mon night - with the examples mentioned - was a freezeout.
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Ablarrrr
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Join Date: Jun 2008
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In that case it sounds like a player who is just thinking of his own hand / cards rather than considering what the "tight" guy has.
Put this guy in the dont bluff section.
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Thunder
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Thx.
And what are your thought on live play and the overall play I described? As well as best way to tackle it - aggressive?
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Ablarrrr
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Join Date: Jun 2008
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play strong hands strong if raises are being called then instead of raising 3xbb make it 6, 7 or 8 bb.
obv if you can get in cheap with suited connect's or aces then do so and hope to hit a big flop.
when I have played live most people dont understand basic strat so there is no point trying any fancy moves.
good luck 
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Thunder
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Someone told me that even a £30 ($44) single rebuy event is going to play like a $3 online rebuy tourney. You think this is true?
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Thunder
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03-26-2009, 02:03 AM
Post subject: Any value?
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Hi guys,
I played my 3rd tourney tonight and decided there is no value in them whatsoever. I'd like your thoughts on these tourneys and how they compare to others you play in at your casino.
Long story short I think the structure is really poor. With 108 runners, top 10 paid, and with 60 players left, the average stack was 9bb. And so it stayed until I exited circa 28th. And this after just a few levels (def by 300/600). We were in pre flop shove territory already and this was the deepstack event!
The levels were reduced from 30m to to 20m (which, apparently, is standard for all tourneys) and that was 1.5 orbits max. By the end of the 800/1600 level, with 19k being the average stack, I had 20bb and one of the biggest on my table! It was pretty much a turbo affair. Now, this isn't a "woe is me" tale but just an illustration of the night.
I just cannot see any value whatsoever in these tournaments. They are poorly structured and a complete waste of time. Push fest down to final 2 tables, fair enough, but when there are 6 left - and over 50% of the field? A joke.
I appreciate they have to get through the field but surely there must be better ways? Why not start at 8 or even 7.30 instead of 9pm? That would free up time for more play. And cut the breaks to 5 mins from 20m.
If the levels must be reduced then start with 15 min clocks for the first 2 or 3 and then extend to 30 mins afterwards - thus allowing a bit more play rather than the <10bb situation for over half the field.
When the average online tourney, with 6 and 7 times the amount of entrants, avoids similar short stacked affairs for the majority of the field so early on, yet still finishes in the same time, then something is seriously wrong. I appreciate online is faster but they have less time per level (15m instead of 20m) and so many more runners - yet still allow for more play!
I am curious as to your thoughts on the structure of these events.
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Ablarrrr
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Join Date: Jun 2008
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Your tale sounds just like the live games I have played and is the reason I dont make a habit of going to play many.
If the tables have proper dealers then 20mins can just be about long enough - but self dealt tables are a nightmare, it just takes 1 or 2 players who have had 1 or 2 too many and the action slows right down to a level every orbit at best.
Id personally rather save 3 or 4 "donkament" buyins and play a decent well structured deepstack game with at least 30 min levels.
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Miffed22001
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Straight Flush
Join Date: Jun 2005
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UK games are great IMO
So many bad players - like party before the UIGEA - noone folds an ace, broadways are the nuts and tptk is the holy grail.
Ive only met people i know from online who have been above level 0 thinking
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