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Fnord

04-08-2009, 11:11 AM Post subject: Snowmen facing loose/passive check/raise heads-up

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$5/$10 NLHE $800 effective stack size.

Hero's image is TAggy. He's taken down quite a few pots without showdown including from his opponent in this hand.

BB is semi-loose/passive. Does not like to play big pots without big hands. Bought in for 1k and has been bleeding them off. We've already taken a couple pots off of him.

1 Limper
Hero raises

from HJ to $50.
BB calls.
Limper folds his piece of cheese.

~$110 in the pot heads-up
:Jh:

BB checks
Hero bets $75
BB straightens up, grabs two stacks, looks us straight in the face and appears to bet $200. But one of his stacks is short a couple chips, so the bet is $190 when the dealer counts it.

What's our plan for the rest of the hand?

mxiu, wait for others to chime in before you give the correct answer.

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GahGah604

04-08-2009, 11:24 AM

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I would put villian on a set, people love calling with little pocket pairs...my second read would be in the range of Q/J or K/J

orrrrrrrr could be on the nut flush draw!

I would fold here and hate life as you always say

My money would go in later with a better hand.

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04-08-2009, 11:25 AM

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turn our hand into a slowplay imo

let him barrel again, his ego can't take it anymore.

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04-08-2009, 11:27 AM

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turn our hand into a slowplay imo.

Are we calling down or taking it away on the turn? If he's in spew mode a turn bet could easily commit him.

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04-08-2009, 11:28 AM

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I think there is a lot of value to be gained from a call and then getting it in on the turn pending reads/turn card.

Fnord

04-08-2009, 11:54 AM

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My money would go in later with a better hand.

This isn't the ideal way to win money from semi-loose/passive/timid players. Making hands in Hold'em is hard. Getting people to put in money bad second best and not suck back out is harder.

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04-08-2009, 07:45 PM

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Anyway, I went all-in.

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04-08-2009, 08:36 PM

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he took your chips with a set! or called with his A/2 of hearts!

what did he have? what happened?

Fnord

04-08-2009, 09:19 PM

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Consider his range of hands:

Likely (given a strong=weak read):
Bluff - Folds to shove
Jx/TT/99 - Usually folds to shove, sometimes calls me down. Raised to "see where he's at" to avoid putting in a lot of money bad. If he calls I have 2 outs.
Draws - Usually calls. 88 has good equity.
Pairs worse than 88 - LoL if he calls

Less Likely (we read him wrong):
Bottom 2: Fair amount of suck-out equity
Set - Usually have 2 outs
J4, J5 - Heavily discounted, see set.
AA/KK/QQ - Opps, see set.

Finally consider that if he folds to our shove we either have a table image of being crazy aggro or running good. Either way, it will keep our opponents in line and add value to lots of routine isolation and c-bet lines for the next couple hours.

$375 in the pot. Shove costs us ~$675 more. Figure we have ~25%ish equity against his weighted calling range (lots of draws.) If he folds 50% of the time we show a profit.

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04-08-2009, 09:52 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by BankItDrew

turn our hand into a slowplay imo

let him barrel again, his ego can't take it anymore.

cant call, you get destroyed on so many turns and a jack feels a lot better about themselves.

fold or shove, leaning towards a shove. folding seems kinda weak given the opp, and stack sizes are just about right to shove.

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06-10-2009, 03:29 PM

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Results: He said he folded Tens.

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06-11-2009, 02:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Fnord

Results: He said he folded Tens.

i probably fold in the heat of the moment without any history. This really depends on your read on the player, their tendencies and weaknesses.

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06-11-2009, 11:51 AM

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