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Old 02-19-2009, 08:07 PM     Post subject: Situations from my first casino trip #1 (permalink)  
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 I played poker in a casino for the first time last night; I'll def be going back.

1/2 NL full ring, my stack is about $100.

EP player: Loose, terrible at poker, playing with his dads money (~$38 stack)
MP player: decent player who I've seen fold two pair to large bets (~$250)

I get dealt AdQc in the small blind. There are nine players preflop I believe, and the first seven limp So that is 17 in the pot counting the two blinds. I bump it up to 17 total. I get called by a player in EP and a player in MP. Pot is about $63

Flop comes KdQd9d

I check because I'm not really sure where I'm at and I want to see what they do. EP bets about $21 all in and I feel like he could be doing this with a good hand or with random shit as a bluff. He's so terrible I don't really give it much respect. MP raises it up to $45. Now that I look back at this hand I don't think that MP would do this with a bare TP or 2-pair. So his hand is probably a combo draw, set, pair and draw, something like that. So not all of my ace and queen outs are good here I feel like.

I shove over for my remaining stack ($83).

Good shove or no? Should I have led out flop if I was going to shove anyways? Should I have just called the flop?

In regards to just calling the flop, I was thinking that I wanted to see a showdown if I'm going to call, and I'd rather get what little fold equity I can by shoving the flop.

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MP insta calls me and flips Jd8d
EP didn't flip but said he had the ace of diamonds, then said he had AT

In a different hand, a bunch of players limped to me in the BB with 46o. I checked and flop came K66 with 2 hears. I led out for about the pot, $15 and got 2 callers. Turn came 4 (non heart). I led out for $35 leaving me about another 35 or 40 behind. The first guy calls me and the dealer flips the river card before the next player had time to act. He quickly covers it up but she saw what it was (Jh) and gets mad because she said that was the card she needed and then folds.

He burns that card and flips over a 9 for the last river card i think. I throw the rest of my stack in and the remaining player calls. What sucks is she would have made the nut flush and def called my river bet, so the dealer basically screwed me out of $35. I asked one of the floor guys about it later and he said things like that happen every day in casinos and there's nothing I can do about it?? Is this true?

Overall players were terrible and way too loose PF. I don't think I saw one pot where there was a raise and then everyone else folded.[/u]


EDIT: In a different hand I had JhTh and completely missed flop. I think the flop got checked through, then I led out on the turn and river with air. I got called both times, and on the showdown she turned over her hand, I mucked mine, then she got a little mad and said she paid to see it and the dealer told me to flip it next time. If I had said "you have it" or "pair takes it" then isn't it common etiquette for me to be allowed to muck with a total bluff?
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Old 02-19-2009, 08:23 PM #2 (permalink)  
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 On the first hand, I don't like the check. You took the lead pre-flop and relinquished it even though you got a good piece. Had the flop spiked an ace, that's a better spot to check, but a king is much more safe. However, the way you played it, I lay this down. If it was just the short stack, then it's an insta-call, but him betting PLUS a re-raiser tells me your hand is no good and you're putting 80% of your stack @ risk. I think you need to pick a better spot.
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Old 02-19-2009, 09:26 PM #3 (permalink)  
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 1) I'm assuming Jason missed you have the draw, def call the flop as played. I would just move in on the flop, you may even get them to lay down a weak K but if not it's fine. you are never getting away from this hand and it's such an ugly board I doubt someone will bluff at it. You would also hate it to be checked around and give Tx a free card.

2) yes, mis deals happen. I would have probably bet smaller on the turn or just moved in, the in between gives people a chance to get away from Kx if a heart comes.

3) if they ask, you have to show. poker etiquette says they should not ask but often people will.
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Old 02-19-2009, 10:35 PM #4 (permalink)  
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1) I'm assuming Jason missed you have the draw, def call the flop as played. I would just move in on the flop, you may even get them to lay down a weak K but if not it's fine. you are never getting away from this hand and it's such an ugly board I doubt someone will bluff at it. You would also hate it to be checked around and give Tx a free card.
Sorry I'm a little confused by this. So what you're saying is that you would just open shove the flop, but if we're going to check it first and then given the action from above, you would just call? Also, after MP raises I can't put him on Kx, I think its extremely likely that he is stronger than that, unless the x happens to be a diamond then maybe I could see it.
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Old 02-20-2009, 01:42 AM #5 (permalink)  
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3) if they ask, you have to show. poker etiquette says they should not ask but often people will.
Poker etiquette says that, but poker rules say the person that's called has to show first and the one thing I absolutely HATE about live play is people not abiding by it.

People don't just call because they think they are ahead, they call to see what your hand was to get a better read on you and it's unfair to not give them that opportunity.
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Sorry I'm a little confused by this. So what you're saying is that you would just open shove the flop, but if we're going to check it first and then given the action from above, you would just call? Also, after MP raises I can't put him on Kx, I think its extremely likely that he is stronger than that, unless the x happens to be a diamond then maybe I could see it.
I meant go ahead and shove when it gets back to you, with your stack it doesn't matter much if you call or shove unless you think MP is so silly he'll fold the turn for 40 more but will call on the flop.

Re Kx, I'm saying if you open shove the flop, someone might fold Kx.

Again, once it gets back to you as played it doesn't matter what they have, your money is going in. These ranges are about as bad as it can be and you still have a good price to play. I gave the shorty 77 and 88 for bluffs.

Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

352,170 games 0.016 secs 22,010,625 games/sec

Board: Kd Qd 9d
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 37.679% 37.37% 00.30% 131622 1071.00 { AdQc }
Hand 1: 48.925% 48.56% 00.37% 171012 1287.00 { QQ+, 99, AKs, AKo }
Hand 2: 13.396% 13.34% 00.06% 46962 216.00 { 88-77, KTs+, KQo }

this is probably a bit more realistic:

Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

677,250 games 0.032 secs 21,164,062 games/sec

Board: Kd Qd 9d
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 44.839% 44.68% 00.16% 302604 1071.00 { AdQc }
Hand 1: 39.430% 39.06% 00.37% 264510 2529.00 { 99+, AKs, JTs, AKo }
Hand 2: 15.731% 15.52% 00.22% 105078 1458.00 { 88-77, KTs+, KQo }
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Old 02-20-2009, 02:37 AM #7 (permalink)  
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 Ahh forgot to pokerstove this myself, but those numbers look pretty good so I don't think it was a horrible play. The only thing I was worried about it the fact that there was a bet, then a raise, indicating lots of strength.

In any case, both of their calls PF were pretty bad as I was projecting a pretty tight and somewhat passive image. Sometime I think I'm gonna go fri or sat afternoon and just play all night.
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Old 02-20-2009, 02:41 AM #8 (permalink)  
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Just round your bets up to the nearest $5 chip and over-bet pre-flop and sometimes on the flop. Most players at that level aren't counting the pot.
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Old 02-20-2009, 06:52 PM #9 (permalink)  
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Most players at that level aren't counting the pot.
This point is huge. I recently had a set against an unpaired board with 3 cards to a flush and 3 cards to a straight on the board after the turn. There was a fair amount of money in the pot strewn about, so I called for time and counted the pot, determined that I had good odds, and bet. The board paired and I took down the pot. After the hand, someone asked me what the hell I was doing when I called for time. I said I was counting the pot. The guy looked at me like I had just said something in Swahili!

I am sure that this is a significant difference between casino and online play. Online, you always have the pot size in front of you, and that encourages more players to think about pot size and incorporate pot and (perhaps) implied odds into their play. In a casino, I suspect most players consider pot size only in a very general sense, i.e., "that's a big pot, I think I'll stay in and chase".
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Originally Posted by LawDude
"that's a big pot, I think I'll stay in and chase".
LoL, so much rage for chasing.
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