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thepokerdude
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04-07-2005, 05:27 AM
Post subject: showing your hand before calling
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Straight
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: The Dude Abides
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i have a question. in tournament play, if a player goes all in, and the rest of the table folds, and it is down to one, is it ok, by the rules, for the player contemplating a call to show his hand to try and get a reaction from the raiser? i saw this on some hollywood hold em game on E!.
i ran into a similar situation the next night at my regular home game. i had Q4o in the hole with a Q and a 4 out and another player went all in. there was a flush draw on the board and i really wanted to show this guy, who was kind of emotional, my hand and try and get a read if he wanted me to call because he had the flush or fold because all he had was top pair Aces. i laid it down, but can't help but think if i knew for sure this was legal and did it, i would have taken it down. anyone know?
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SinkRox
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Full House
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Brighton, UK
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One of my friends did this, it is terrible etiquette and you are actually mucking your hand when you flip your cards before having called. Dont even think about it, just fold and show him your 2-pair lay for a reaction once the hands over!
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AvatarKava
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Flush
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Houston, TX
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Originally Posted by JonDoe
One of my friends did this, it is terrible etiquette and you are actually mucking your hand when you flip your cards before having called. Dont even think about it, just fold and show him your 2-pair lay for a reaction once the hands over!
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I agree that it is terrible etiquette; however, in most tournaments (and cash games, for that matter) it is perfectly legal provided it is heads up. I have seen more and more rooms outlawing it, but I can't find any reference against it in Robert's other than:
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“a card that is flashed by a player will play.”
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That seems aimed at accidents, but could be interpreted as a legal form of angling as well.
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Khabbi
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Flush
Join Date: Nov 2004
Posts: 381
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I was watching the Party Poker Open Final (something like that) on The Score (in Canada) and this exact situation happened.
One player went all-in with one other player left. The other guy thought awhile then exposed his cards and began to contemplate some more.
The tournament judge stepped up to the table and forced the player who exposed his cards to muck them because it was not a legal move.
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Wolverine42
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Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Massachusetts
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I saw the exact opposite thing happen in one of the Celebtriy Showdowns. Dennis Rodman mucked his cards into the middle of the table face down without saying anything and when they grabbed his cards and started shuffling he flipped out and stormed off set because he said he was calling the bet. It was so stupid because he absolutely no hand or draw and he was beat bad.
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Laeelin
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Full House
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Dennis Rodman mucked his cards into the middle of the table face down without saying anything and when they grabbed his cards and started shuffling he flipped out and stormed off set because he said he was calling the bet. It was so stupid because he absolutely no hand or draw and he was beat bad.
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Yeah, I saw that one.. You must admit... He had 35o beat!!
He is one of the few people i'd be happy to play against at almost any stakes... Time to morgage my house! (well, almost anyway) .. Bottom pair is good for calling an all in.
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Waterdick
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Straight
Join Date: Jul 2005
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It is definitely illegal to flip your cards up in a heads up situation, or any other situation. In my home games we are aware of this but when it is a heads up all in decision we allow the player to flip their cards.
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koolmoe
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Full House
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: Drowning in prosperity
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From Robert's rules of poker (Tournament section):
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21. Showing cards from a live hand during the action injures the rights of other players still competing in an event, who wish to see contestants eliminated. A player may not show any cards during a deal (unless the event has only two remaining players). If a player deliberately shows a card, the player may be penalized (but his hand will not be ruled dead). Verbally stating one’s hand during the play may be penalized.
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