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Buckeye
Old 01-30-2005, 06:59 AM     Post subject: Showdown Calling alternative #1 (permalink)  

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Hi all,
I have held 5 tounaments so far, and all have gone very well. I need to make another house rule and need some opinions. I had a new guy, supposed to know how to play, and he called 2 pair on the showdown and had a flush, which beat my flush. I figured it was a done deal that he won, until a few other players started hollerin' that he called 2 pair so that's what he has. Ultimately we split the pot and I made a temp rule that cards speak unless you call them... I sort of like the split the pot thing if a caller is wrong and has a larger hand; or I may just go with cards speak always, regardless of what is called.

What do you think?
call wrong = split the pot OR
cards always speak OR
call wrong and lose

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Old 01-30-2005, 07:39 AM #2 (permalink)  
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Split the pot this time.

Declare the cards speak (i.e. If he calls high card ace but has a straight 6-10, he has the straight(What if he had bottom pair and called out a full house, surely cards would speak)) from now on.

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Old 01-30-2005, 05:51 PM #3 (permalink)  
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It's your house, bro, so you gotta go with the rule that YOU want.

For my house games the cards speak. ALWAYS. On Tuesday at a friend's house you have to call out your own hand. If you miss it, you miss it. There have been times when people call out hands that they're not involved in and people get PISSED.

I think the cards should always speak....but that's just me.


 
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Old 01-31-2005, 01:26 AM #4 (permalink)  
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Cards should always speak. It's just the fairest way possible.

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Old 01-31-2005, 03:20 PM #5 (permalink)  
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Will add mine to the rest:

Cards speak
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Old 01-31-2005, 10:38 PM #6 (permalink)  

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Thanks for the input. I think I'll go with cards speak.

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Old 01-31-2005, 10:57 PM #7 (permalink)  
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 As stated here, cards should speak.

BUT, if you have somoene who isn't very strong at poker, but loves to play, and is willing to pay to play, and you throw in some crazy games like baseball or other poker games with wild cards....

So here's the deal, this one consultant had been playing poker with us for a few months during our lunch hour. A few months. We tease him cuz he still messes up reading his own hand. Sometimes, he thinks a full house beats a four-of-a-kind. Well, we used to play dealer calls the game.

I'm the dealer, and I call some crazy game with lots o wild cards - 7 card stud, low hole card wild (and all cards like it in your hand), roll your own (all your cards are dealt face down, and you decide which card you want face up). And as the dealer, I specifically call - for this game - YOU MUST DECLARE YOUR HAND.

Of course, I only throw in that rule because this consultant.

I end up with 4 aces. The lucky consultant ends up with a straight flush, but of course declares 4 jacks. I win.
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Old 02-01-2005, 05:54 AM #8 (permalink)  
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when you are playing with wild cards and crazy rules, i think that being able to know what you have is part of the game, it's part of the skill. but in a straight up hold 'em game, i have to agree with cards speak.

last home game i played in, a guy was on the short stack and ended up getting aces in the hole. he went all in preflop. the big stack, trying to do the table a favor by maybe eliminating him, called with a measley K5s. board ended up being A 2 4 J 3. now not a lot of people noticed it, expecially with the short stack flopping A A A, but the big stack made the wheel straight, and who called it, the guy on the short stack. the big stack didn't notice at first. well, he went out, but with the admiration of the table for his good form.

anyway, just an interesting anecdote, but IMO, in hold 'em, cards should speak not matter what, it's just the right way.
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Old 02-01-2005, 06:30 AM #9 (permalink)  
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 I think I could watch those guys shine their balls all day!

Anyway, cards speak unyou don't like the guy. Then he has to put on an apron and amke you a sandwich.
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Old 02-01-2005, 05:54 PM #10 (permalink)  
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you gotta give respect to "the jesus."

even though he is a pedderass.
"But they were suited?!?! You idiot!!"
 
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Old 02-01-2005, 08:44 PM #11 (permalink)  

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How would y'all handle the following:
Player 1 calls his hand a flush, player 2 folds his measly pair of 8's (in front of him, face down), Player 3 throws his pair of 9's into the muck pile, player 4 held onto his pair of 2's. Looked a little closer and Player 1 had 4 hearts, 1 Diamond = No pair, just High card.
House rules dictate - once your card are mucked, they're dead - no holding them to see what would've happened. Also "cards speak".
I have talked it over with the regulars and they all have different points. 1. Some say to redeal the hand and leave the pot (no good for me), 2. Some say to let the other 2 players retrieve thier cards (would defeat the mucked card rule), 3. I say the 2's win since he followed the standard rule of hold your cards until you KNOW you are beat (option 2 folks didn't like this at all). All say the offender should be dealt out a few hands or something to penalize them.
What do you think would be most fair? Keep in mind, This is a friendly game, laid back, $10 buyin, good fun.

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Old 02-01-2005, 09:20 PM #12 (permalink)  
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The pair of 2's wins it.
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Old 02-01-2005, 09:21 PM #13 (permalink)  
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Player 3's hand it dead, it hit the muck

If Player 2's hand did not hit the muck (it is in front of him) then he could turn over his cards to show the winning hand, otherwise Player 4 would win.

To keep this from happening again, have the Dealer call the hand, not the player.

Other then giving Player 1 a warning, if you do not have a house rule to handle things, you should not deal him out of hands.
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Old 02-01-2005, 09:54 PM #14 (permalink)  
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Buckeye there is a very easy way of handling this issue.

When you say people are saying "I have a flush" are they showing there cards during this time. Gotta be clear.

For instance lets say 3 people in the hand.

Player 1 is the dealer.

Everyone calls each other. The UTG or first to act from the dealer shows his cards first, then player 2 then; then player 1 (dealer). This will keep from confusion of whose got the best hand. The worst is when at showdown a player shows 1 card. Come on wtf show both of your cards. I made it very simple. Show both of your cards or you muck your hand simple as is.

No player should "call" there hand. They should reveal the cards and the "dealer" at that time will call out the winner. That always solves a problem.

Always before the game starts state your rules.


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Old 02-01-2005, 10:43 PM #15 (permalink)  

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I meant to add that Player 1 was adamantly excited when he mistakenly called the flush. Normally the dealer does call the hands, but the premise was that he was slow and the others who mucked were not.

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