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socal1111
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06-09-2008, 01:06 AM
Post subject: SHOULD THIS BE IMPORTANT?
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When I first started playing seriously, I struggled with this question:
SHOULD IT BE IMPORTANT TO BE LIKED AT THE TABLE- TO BE THOUGHT OF AS A "FRIEND?"
My style doesn't promote making friendships while in the heat of battle, and I used to really play tug-o-war w/ this concept.
Everyone enjoys being liked, but I now believe it can often get in the way of your bottom line.
One way "needing to be liked" may hurt our overall game is in the way we bet our hands...
Ex: not making a specific play, because it may "upset a friend." I used to feel bad when extracting every last bit of value out of a hand, when against a friend. Sometimes, I would actually soft-play.
Most importantly, though, "needing" friends at the table may make us think in terms of what they would think if we thought X, and made X play. In other words, taking us OUT OF OUR MIND, and OUR thought process... and putting us in THEIR way of thinking.
Needing to be liked, IMO, has no place at the poker table. Talk a lot, ask about wife and kids, girlfriends, etc AWAY from table. No one has to like you...
BUT THEY MUST FEAR YOU... THEY MUST NOT HAVE A CLUE AS TO WHAT YOU'RE FEELING/THINKING...
That's all. Watcha think?
Stay focused,
Dayne
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euphoricism
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People lose more money and are overall more OK with losing money against people they like. So, no. I disagree. Being Buddy-Buddy with the guy to your left and/or right has huge advantages ("What'd you fold there? or What'd you call there with?").
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socal1111
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Originally Posted by euphoricism
People lose more money and are overall more OK with losing money against people they like. So, no. I disagree. Being Buddy-Buddy with the guy to your left and/or right has huge advantages ("What'd you fold there? or What'd you call there with?").
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You ASKING him... is MUCH different than answering!!
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Lukie
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07-11-2008, 05:41 PM
Post subject: Re: SHOULD THIS BE IMPORTANT?
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4-of-a-Kind
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Kind of an old thread but I find it pretty interesting tbh...
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Originally Posted by socal1111
When I first started playing seriously, I struggled with this question:
SHOULD IT BE IMPORTANT TO BE LIKED AT THE TABLE- TO BE THOUGHT OF AS A "FRIEND?"
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Yes, absolutely. It doesn't have to affect how you play the game, but if you like getting invited back to private games, like getting action in public games, and generally like a nice poker-playing atmosphere, it's usually in your best interest to at least be friendly and respectful.
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My style doesn't promote making friendships while in the heat of battle, and I used to really play tug-o-war w/ this concept.
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Were I an NFL player, I'm fairly certain I'd agree with this. As is, I don't.
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Everyone enjoys being liked, but I now believe it can often get in the way of your bottom line.
One way "needing to be liked" may hurt our overall game is in the way we bet our hands...
Ex: not making a specific play, because it may "upset a friend." I used to feel bad when extracting every last bit of value out of a hand, when against a friend. Sometimes, I would actually soft-play.
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Well, this is a decision you have to make. Your can still be friendly at the tables while relentlessly value betting hands, for example. You could take your foot off the gas every now and then so you don't scare people away. Like I said though, being friendly, having a beer, and laughing a bit is almost always going to help you, regardless of how you play.
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Most importantly, though, "needing" friends at the table may make us think in terms of what they would think if we thought X, and made X play. In other words, taking us OUT OF OUR MIND, and OUR thought process... and putting us in THEIR way of thinking.
Needing to be liked, IMO, has no place at the poker table. Talk a lot, ask about wife and kids, girlfriends, etc AWAY from table. No one has to like you...
BUT THEY MUST FEAR YOU... THEY MUST NOT HAVE A CLUE AS TO WHAT YOU'RE FEELING/THINKING...
That's all. Watcha think?
Stay focused,
Dayne
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Might sound good when writing it down, but when all the fish start leaving the table or avoiding you because they don't like you, that's a problem. If it's a private game, you *won't* get invited back-- also a problem. You might realize everyone hates you and nobody wants to talk to you, also a problem (in my eyes anyway).
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Back when I played Limit live, being friendly with the majority of players there (esp bad regulars) is so +EV there's no reason to not do it IMO.
I got it to the point where the regs would start to talk theory with me, and their perceptions were so bad that by the end of the conversation you could exploit 100% of their tendancies. Also, I had donks start showing me their hands (illegally) and being the nice guy at the table is the best way to go around it.
Also, I always feel like if I look like I'm having a good time and there for fun, the 'serious' players are more likely to pay me off because it seems like I've been more active than I really have.
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If for no other reason, being just nice just results in a good time. Joking and laughing when someone calls you down correctly with bottom pair as opposed to bashing his play is +EV. I laugh at the ego-sensitive sunglass-wearing ipod-on-the-table youngsters that just piss everyone off and create an atmosphere the (bigger) fish don't want to play in. Gambling is entertainment; be a part of it.
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Lukie
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Originally Posted by Deanglow
If for no other reason, being just nice just results in a good time. Joking and laughing when someone calls you down correctly with bottom pair as opposed to bashing his play is +EV. I laugh at the ego-sensitive sunglass-wearing ipod-on-the-table youngsters that just piss everyone off and create an atmosphere the (bigger) fish don't want to play in. Gambling is entertainment; be a part of it.
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I agree completely. It's even worse when they all of a sudden pretend to start paying attention and stare you down, asking stupid questions like on tv, etc.
Basically, don't be that guy.
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WARNING: This may sound stupid.
As pro gamblers we give nothing to society. The only thing I can think that we do is enable recreational gamblers to have a good time. We are, in my world of perverse logic, providing entertainment. I think it would suck to be a douche at the table given that.
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I've read from Fnord and others a few times that its very +EV to be friendly in live games. Create an atmosphere of fun and enjoyment, and the fish dont mind losing to a nice bloke. Be an ass and they're just as likely to leave. Thats just dumb.
Online its probably less important, but dont see how it matters. I'll friendly chat, especially with the regs.
As for friends, messing with friends heads is fun  .
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Lukie
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Originally Posted by badgers
WARNING: This may sound stupid.
As pro gamblers we give nothing to society. The only thing I can think that we do is enable recreational gamblers to have a good time. We are, in my world of perverse logic, providing entertainment. I think it would suck to be a douche at the table given that.
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Haha, well, I pay taxes. So technically you can't say we give "nothing" to society, but that's being a little nit-picky.
Another possible reason (just thought of this off the top of my head): people do stupid things when they are tilted. There is the occasional shady character when dealing with poker or gambling. I'd hate to have something happen to me, my family, or even something stupid like my car because a shady, tilted person who just lost a lot of money wanted someone to blame and I had to act like an asshole at the table...
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