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Old 04-06-2010, 01:05 AM     Post subject: Running Bad what do you do???? #1 (permalink)  
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The last several sessions it seems like I have a target on my forehead. I am playing 1/3 live

I sat at the table for over an hour waiting to get a hand that was playable. I did play some hands but they never developed into anything I could take past the turn.

I finally got pocket 10's and bet 20.00 and was called by two players. There was a 10 a 2 and a 4 on the flop and I bet 50.00 and was called by the same two players. The turn was a 2 and before I could bet my two callers went All-In. I immediately called their all-in with my full house. The river was a 4 giving one of the callers QUAD 4's.

MY question is.... Does anyone think that after the flop the player with the three 4's would have folded if I had gone all in.

This is the way my last 4 sessions have gone.. Not only have I been sucked out with my KK, AA, to trips and small flushes but I have lost to Quads twice now.

I am leaving for Vegas in a week and I am not sure if I even want to go because I cant stand a solid week of losing poker.

I was going to play tonight but instead of thinking how much I want to win I was thinking how much I can afford to loose. What a crappy attitude. With losses like these I dont think I am a FISH but maybe I have to face the fact that I am and quit poker.

I think in 1/3 that a bet of 20.00 before the flop is a good bet and 50.00 after the flop when you have a good hand is alos a respective bet. No one likes to get AA and only pick up the blinds but you also dont want to loose to two small pairs. (22-44)

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Old 04-06-2010, 04:19 AM #2 (permalink)  
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pretty standard. You need to post some difficult hands here imo. I played a long session in my local room last friday. One spewy aggressive monkey raised to $8, i reraised to $35 with QQ, he insta called my 3 bet.I bet $50 on 884r dry flop, he shoved $300 more. Of course i snapped him off but saw king on the river. Guess what? he had K6o Everybody knows that Variance in this game can be quite brutal. Just keep in mind that If there were no variance, poker would not be what it is today.BTW, im definitely a winning live 1/2NL player.
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Old 04-06-2010, 07:16 AM #3 (permalink)  
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 on live variance and sample size:

i was thinking about this after i'd played ~35 hours or so of live poker last month. a bit down about the fact that I was about a buy-in down for the whole month, after playing what I consider mostly my best poker, with occasional lapses into my grade C game. but then I just started considering how much of a sample size we have from these 35 hours. assuming 20-25 hands dealt per hour, I played somewhere between just 700 and 900 hands last month!

Online, I don't grind out the volume that a lot of FTRers do, but just 4-6 tabling 6-max tables I'll manage that volume of hands in just a couple hours! I can show you my graph in PokerTracker and be able to point out countless times where over say 1000 hands I broke even or lost. And yet I'm overall a big winner so far at the stakes I'm playing at.

A number that's often quoted is 10,000 hands as being the absolute miminum sample size that can be considered significant in any way. Unfortunately, at the rate I've been playing live poker, it would maybe take me a whole YEAR to achieve 10,000 hands.

So my point is, a solid week of live poker means what, 1500 hands tops? By solid I mean 8 hours a day. Do 9 more weeks of that for a 15,000 hand sample size, and then you'll have a somewhat meaningful measure of whether or not you're beating the game.
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 I run 5ptpp/100 at 100nl and I'm having 50.000 hand break-even streches. That would be half a year of playing 40h weeks of live poker.
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Old 04-06-2010, 02:14 PM #5 (permalink)  
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If I had to guess, I'd say tilt and emotional control is the one thing you should work on and try to control. Your post is RIDDLED with language that suggests you've been tilting and getting impatient.

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The last several sessions it seems like I have a target on my forehead.
You never have a target on your forehead. Everyone @ the table has the same target you have. Don't allow any short term results to make you feel like you are a special, targeted victim.

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I sat at the table for over an hour waiting to get a hand that was playable.
This shows that you are potentially impatient and get agitated if you don't get a playable hand in a time frame you find reasonable. Be prepared to not get a playble hand for HOURS if not DAYS. I've played live for several hours and never won a pot. This is the reality of live play and poker. If you cannot accept this, you will suffer.

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I finally got pocket 10's
This is more emotional language. You didn't just get pocket tens. You FINALLY got pocket tens. Now I'm due to win some money Be prepared to go hours before getting a playable hand and hours more before you win one.

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MY question is.... Does anyone think that after the flop the player with the three 4's would have folded if I had gone all in.
I think we both know the answer is that 99% of players are not going to fold a set on a dry board in a live 1/3 game. I think we also both know that we don't WANT a player to fold three of a kind Four's when he have three of a kind Ten's.

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This is the way my last 4 sessions have gone.. Not only have I been sucked out with my KK, AA, to trips and small flushes but I have lost to Quads twice now.
Feeling sorry for yourself or reflecting on short term negative results will only hold you back and stymie future progress.

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I am leaving for Vegas in a week and I am not sure if I even want to go because I cant stand a solid week of losing poker.
If you can't handle losing, poker is not the game for you. I'm not saying it's easy, but handling it in a healthy way IS necessary to be successful long term.

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I was going to play tonight but instead of thinking how much I want to win I was thinking how much I can afford to loose. What a crappy attitude.
Agree, this is a not a good, healthy attitude to have about poker.

I would HIGHLY recommend two things: DeucesCracked is currently allowing members to view videos for FREE. Go there, sign-up, and watch all 8 episodes of The Eightfold Path to Poker Enlightenment. Go out, buy, and read "The Poker Mindset".

Everything you're dealing with is about the mind and emotion and nothing about the nuts and bolts of poker. Good luck!
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Old 04-12-2010, 01:21 PM     Post subject: Been running bad myself in Atlantic City. #6 (permalink)  
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 After scooping pots and watching my bankroll increases I have lost the last four of five sessions including the last three in a row. I know this does not sound like much, but the opposition is very weak in Atlantic City so it hurts emotionally as much as financially.

I decided to take four days off and reflect on the sessions. Fortunately I keep a blog of my sessions and statitistics so I have information to review. Also I study on a daily basis, write about sessions and most importatntly think about what I was doing right and wrong.

My theory is not to go back to the tables until those ugly thoughts of continually losing leave me head. Normally it takes two to four days. I am starting to feel better and have made an adjustment on my flop play. I noticed that I started to get away from small ball poker by betting out on any flop that I hit. I am going to check more and let the hand develop for one thing.

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