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Old 01-10-2009, 07:06 AM     Post subject: recognizing when you up against a set. #1 (permalink)  
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lets say you get dealt ace/king suited in late position, raise to whatever dollars (depending on table etc)

anyway, since people love calling raises with any pocket pairs... how can you recognize when your up against a set/trips ?

say you flop a king and now have TPTK.

what are the tell tale signs your up against a set/trips ?

are sets/trips that deadly ?

people love to limp with low/med pocket pairs as well, what can you do to recognize a set/trips when someone hits them ?

I also have lost twice in a row set over set/trips...

I am set/trips paranoid lol

help !
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Old 01-10-2009, 07:45 AM #2 (permalink)  
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 One of the hallmarks of a set I've found is quick calling or raising or pushing allin. I think the key to getting away from a villain's made set is by knowing your villain. If the villain is tight and/or passive and they are very aggressive to you after the flop, TPTK is probably a hand you can and should get away from. If the villain is loose or routinely aggressive, then you're probably NOT going to get away from it, which is fine, because in the long run you'll come out ahead. More times you will make money because they DIDN'T make a set. Keep in mind these are generalities and there's never a one size fits all approach, but it's worth considering to help make a sound decision.
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Old 01-10-2009, 09:11 AM #3 (permalink)  
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raise light
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Old 01-10-2009, 01:52 PM #4 (permalink)  
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raise light
This

Also Sets, 2Pr and trips tend to call a lot preflop and then try to get a ton of money in on later streets. Watch the table and see who calls a lot preflop and then folds to C bets. When they call/fold and then switch gears by calling and rising before the river it's fairly str8 forward who beats TPTK. It doesn't take long to figure out live players. Lots play fit fold so as hangchoing said, raise light, take down a ton of pots and by the time they hit they have usually called off enough of their stack that they don't have odds to call in the first place so pay them off.
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Old 01-12-2009, 02:27 PM     Post subject: Re: recognizing when you up against a set. #5 (permalink)  
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are sets/trips that deadly ?

I am set/trips paranoid lol
The are pretty deadly as there a lot of players that can't fold an overpair or TPTK.

Like someone else mentioned, you can't be too paranoid and fold too much as you'll being giving away all the money you make when the villian does not have a set.
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Old 01-14-2009, 11:20 PM #6 (permalink)  
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jyms is right on imo.
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Old 01-17-2009, 09:45 PM #7 (permalink)  

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Getting smooth calls on the flop and turn sometimes indicates sets to me unless the board has a flush draw or straight draw on the flop on they don't want to take the chance of you hitting that.
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Old 01-18-2009, 12:19 AM #8 (permalink)  
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A common line taken by sets oop is c/c flop and c/r turn
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Old 01-18-2009, 07:51 AM #9 (permalink)  
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can someone give an example when you say "raise light"
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Old 01-18-2009, 02:15 PM #10 (permalink)  
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 it means raising or 3betting raises with less than great hands. For example, someone raises on the button to 4BB and you 3 bet to 12BB with A9s or 99. Thes hands are not going to get a full stack of 100BB's in the middle vs a set too often without great equity, so he no longer has odds to call and make a set since he won't win a stack everytime. Most people call with about 10x the raise in their stack thinking that is all they need to have odds. But if your not going to lose 100BB on many occasions he now needs to have about 15X the raise or more depending on how often you raise light. Now having a set doesn't matter because calling raises against your range of raising hands loses him money immediately, win or lose post flop.

Same with Stealing from the CO or BTN. By opoening your range in position your going to take down a bunch of pots vs a tight set hunting villain in the blinds becasue you wioll not be raising with hands often enough that will give him the implied odds to call for a set. You open 89s in the CO sethunter calls flop is xxx he misses hi set and checks, you Cbet take it down, rinse repeat until you bet Q9suited OTB he calls, flop is xxx he hits his set and thinks "YES", he checks, you Cbet, he calls, he checks a blank turn looking to C/R as they always do and you check behind, river doesn't matter because you ain't losing enough to make his preflop call correct.
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Old 01-18-2009, 11:23 PM #11 (permalink)  
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 I was playing today and happened to come across a real hand that I was involved in where villain made a set. I was fortunately able to not only get away from a good hand and save money, but also see the showdown to confirm all of my suspicions. The SB VPIP% was 46% and MP2 was much lower @ 26%. My reads at that point were that SB was a very loose calling station and MP2 was tight/passive/aggressive. I went into the hand very willing to stack off to the SB so long as an Ace didn't spike or maybe a really scary board like 4 cards to a flush or straight. The MP2, however, I was much more cautious towards and didn't really want to play a huge pot with and definitely not call off all my chips to unless I could get another King.

The hand went down as follows:

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Hero (BB) ($4.66)
UTG ($4.03)
MP1 ($2.94)
MP2 ($3.69)
CO ($5.03)
Button ($1.18)
SB ($1.92)

Preflop: Hero is BB with K, K
2 folds, MP2 calls $0.02, 2 folds, SB raises to $0.08, Hero calls $0.06, MP2 calls $0.06

Flop: ($0.24) 9, 7, 2 (3 players)
SB bets $0.12, Hero calls $0.12, MP2 raises to $0.40, SB calls $0.28, Hero folds

Turn: ($1.16) 10 (2 players)
SB checks, MP2 bets $0.76, SB calls $0.76

River: ($2.68) 5 (2 players)
SB checks, MP2 bets $1.12, SB calls $0.68 (All-In)

Total pot: $4.04 | Rake: $0.15

Results:
SB mucked J, J (one pair, Jacks).
MP2 had 9, 9 (three of a kind, nines).
Outcome: MP2 won $3.89

When I called the half-pot sized bet from the SB after the flop, I was really hoping MP2 wouldn't call, but when he reraised big, it was pretty apparent I had to fold at that point because a set was the only holding he had that made any sense to me. At the point he reraises big, he's already seen one bet and a call, so for a player like him to reraise in that spot screams huge hand and on that board texture specifically, it says 'set'. Luckily the hand showed down and indeed he DID have it with the 99.

And if I had played that same hand heads up with the SB, I would have been right to go after his stack as I was planning with my KK as it would held up to his JJ. BECAUSE he will give me his stack with JJ is exactly why it's hard, if not impossible, for me to get away from HIS made set had he got one - he will go allin with the set and without it.
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Old 01-18-2009, 11:41 PM #12 (permalink)  
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using poker tracker and all at .02/.04?..wow id be too lazy for that lol...good reading with the kings i could almost never lay that down, but i would have definietly reraised preflop...i almost NEVER slowplay big hands, only times i do is when im pretty sure im going to be raised and im planning on reraising but for some reason im not...btw muzzard i like your avatar...but what is it with all the hot chick avatars..
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Old 03-16-2009, 12:56 PM #14 (permalink)  
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In real poker I always win, and here for some reason was not present!
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Old 03-16-2009, 01:37 PM #15 (permalink)  
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well depending on board cards draws and what type of players your against alot of people will re raise with trips but then there is also alot of people who will slow play to trap so its really about a tell playing live trying to find out if your opponent has trips
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