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Beck
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06-12-2009, 04:39 AM
Post subject: position on a paired board
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Flush
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You and villain are 100BB deap. Villain is the average 1/2NL player.
Action: folds to villain. Villian raises $10 (standard)
fold to you in BB  
you call
everyone else folds.
FLOP
 :Td: :Tc:
Villian bets $14 Hero?
Do I just call here and then try and take it away on the turn?
or Do I re-raise on the flop and then bet out strong on the turn?
How often do you think you can get the average 1/2NL player to fold an overpair with such a board?
-Beck
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-Beck
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mxiu
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Full House
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lousy spot. average 1/2 player felts an overpair here.
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Azazel
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06-12-2009, 10:23 AM
Post subject: Re: position on a paired board
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#3 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by Beck
How often do you think you can get the average 1/2NL player to fold an overpair with such a board?
-Beck
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considering average 1/2 player <5% of time imo
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GahGah604
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Straight
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is this a joke? why would you bluff an average 1/2 player? most are calling station's! anyway, you muck your hand as fast as possible. Average 1/2 players will call your all in bet on the turn with Ace/2 and think they are good. MUCK and wait for a better spot to ship your money in. What if villain actually has the 10 here? lol why would u think about taking anything away on turn?
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shoneec
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I don't understand why is it even discussed...
This is a solid fold.
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sk8r_daniel
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Flush
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you don't have position
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Fnord
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If you're gonna bluff here...
$32
$75-$80ish on the turn
Typical players at that stake are never folding an overpair to the flop raise and might even peel overcards. Must plan on a second barrel.
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rllngn
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Join Date: May 2009
Location: indiana
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think i might rebet on the flop, and come out with another on turn, but if they call your bet on turn, then what are they rebluffing you back, and if so do you try to raise only to find out they had the 10 all along and you just bluffed you chips away, most times if someone bets with a board like that and i dont have anything better thing is to fold, unless they doing it alot then i might gamble
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Beck
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Flush
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Originally Posted by rllngn
think i might rebet on the flop, and come out with another on turn, but if they call your bet on turn, then what are they rebluffing you back, and if so do you try to raise only to find out they had the 10 all along and you just bluffed you chips away, most times if someone bets with a board like that and i dont have anything better thing is to fold, unless they doing it alot then i might gamble
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I guess the question is, how often can you push someone off an overpair with a paired board? Fnord thinks at 1/2NL the answer is almost never. I have in the past, picked my opponents to make that play against, and it has worked. But I wonder if you add all the times it has worked to the times I have lost if the play is worth it?
Also, what about online? I play mostly 50NL + sometimes 100NL online, and I run that play there as well. Sometimes it works, sometimes it does not. I wonder if in the long run it is profitable.
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Originally Posted by Fnord
Making hands in Hold'em is hard.
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We also need to find good spots to steal pots. Maybe this is not one of them. and if I do choose to rep the T what is the best way to do it? Raise on the Flop, or bet/raise on the turn?
-beck
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-Beck
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Fnord
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The problem with floating to raise a turn bet is that his hand range gets stronger when he bets, so it makes more sense to float to bet a turn, but that doesn't have as much implied threat as a small flop raise followed by a turn barrel.
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pokerfan
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Is this SB vs BB or you are on the BT? Nobody in 1-2 live games would fold an overpair to the flop raise. Bluffing with total air has some merit but your success rate should be very low in this spot IMO.
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Beck
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Flush
Join Date: Aug 2006
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Fnord, Pockerfan
I like those replies. I guess pick the spots, and generally if I find the right opponent who I think I can scare off a hand I can try the flop raise then bet turn.
it kinda like floating a flop
  :Tc:
and then having the :Td: to come on the turn. Great place to bluff.
-beck
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-Beck
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sk8r_daniel
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Bluffing paired boards OOP is definitly something you should do once in a while when the situation favours it, but not something you should be doing just because you can.
Never bluff unknown 1-2 players, calling stations etc.
Wait for spots against observant lags/ tags, who have 88, 99 alot here. Observe how players deal with paired boards throughout a session. You should notice what play makes them believe the opponent has the trips. Use this line in the future.
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