|
baudib
|
10-24-2009, 11:59 AM
Post subject: poker etiquette questions
|
#1 (permalink)
|
|
4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Aug 2005
Posts: 3,175
|
|
I've been playing a live game that is very laid-back and chill. However, most of the players have vastly more experience at live poker than me, especially in city poker clubs. My live experience is basically in casual home games.
A couple players told me I was doing some things that are considered uncool and in bad form:
1. When I was in multiway pots and wanted to reraise, but not go all in (I was big stack most of the night), I would tell the raiser, "I'll put you all in." I was told that this is considered rude and could get me in trouble in some places...I stopped doing it, but I had done it because I had always found it intimidating when people have done that to me and live poker is very much a psychological game. As a live-game neophyte I wonder if this is a regional thing or if it is very much unacceptable everywhere...
2. I'm not used to making quick calculations on chip stacks ... a couple times I would ask preflop raisers how much they had behind in order to decide if it was worth calling with hands like small pairs....this also annoyed a couple people. I realize they don't have to answer but is it OK to ask?
|
|
|
Play for FREE and practice your game at...
Join the FTR Poker Forum to disable these banners and start posting!
|
|
KoRnholio
|
|
4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Jul 2005
Posts: 2,129
|
|
1. It sounds nitpicky, but they are right. If you say "I put you all in" in a multiway pot, it's not really a real bet. Let's say you have 10k chips, the guy you want to "put all in" has 2k and a 3rd player has 6k. If you say "I put you all in", it is ambiguous. Did you bet 2k? 6k? 10k? If the guy with 6k then shoves, there should be no debate of what you can now fold after putting 2k in the pot, or be forced to put in 6k.
This can all be avoided by just stating an amount to bet, or saying "I'm all in".
2. Asking them for a count is fine, and you are right, they don't need to answer.
|
|
Some days it feels like I've been standing forever, waiting for the bank teller to return so I can cash in all these Sklansky Bucks.
|
|
baudib
|
|
4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Aug 2005
Posts: 3,175
|
|
Thanks...as for No. 1, that's a good reason not to do it, too, but I got the impression that it was a problem because it was considered rude/obnoxious rather than because it was ambiguous.
|
|
Playing big pots at small stakes.
|
|
mrhappy333
|
|
Full House
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Hartford, CT
Posts: 1,077
|
|
Kornholio hit the nail.
as far as asking how many chips, they don't have to answer, but I believe they must move their hands away so you can see how many?
|
|
3 3 3 I'm only half evil.
|
|
baudib
|
|
4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Aug 2005
Posts: 3,175
|
|
Thanks...as for No. 1, that's a good reason not to do it, too, but I got the impression that it was a problem because it was considered rude/obnoxious rather than because it was ambiguous.
|
|
Playing big pots at small stakes.
|
|
oskar
|
|
4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: in ur accounts... confiscating ur funz
Posts: 2,452
|
|
I don't mind it, but it does annoy people, and it's wrong... you're not putting them all-in, it's their decision if they want to go all-in or not. Just say "I'm all-in" instead.
You really don't want players to get angry with you. It rarely does anything good for you.
I'm never going to tell anyone how much I have, but I will always keep my chips visible. if someone obstructs their stack in any way I will just tell him not to do that, and to put the big chips in front... that's what they should be doing anyway.
I would consider it bad etiquette if someone just constantly asks just to get "tells" - and if you're only ever asking to get tells, you're giving information away yourself. - if you only ever ask to see if it's worth nutmining, then that's obviously bad.
|
|
The strengh of a hero is defined by the weakness of his villains.
|
|
baudib
|
|
4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Aug 2005
Posts: 3,175
|
|
yeah, not good to make people angry, especially if you're winning...
i went to a new place tonight, slightly scary at first, a Russian poker club in Brooklyn. was on my best behavior, didn't "put you all-in," tipped everyone imaginable, from the dealers, the waitress, the security guards a total of $200, left up $800, and told everyone how lucky i got.
|
|
Playing big pots at small stakes.
|
|
ChezJ
|
|
Full House
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: Washington, D.C.
Posts: 1,456
|
|
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by oskar
you're not putting them all-in, it's their decision if they want to go all-in or not.
|
This is the heart of the issue. You cannot put someone else's chips into the pot, all-in or otherwise. You do not control their chips, no matter what you say. Only your opponent can put his own chips into the pot, if he so desires.
ChezJ
|
|
|
|
sexualbanana
|
|
Join Date: Dec 2009
Posts: 9
|
|
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by KoRnholio
1. It sounds nitpicky, but they are right. If you say "I put you all in" in a multiway pot, it's not really a real bet. Let's say you have 10k chips, the guy you want to "put all in" has 2k and a 3rd player has 6k. If you say "I put you all in", it is ambiguous. Did you bet 2k? 6k? 10k? If the guy with 6k then shoves, there should be no debate of what you can now fold after putting 2k in the pot, or be forced to put in 6k.
This can all be avoided by just stating an amount to bet, or saying "I'm all in".
2. Asking them for a count is fine, and you are right, they don't need to answer.
|
Agree with #1, and to a lesser degree #2. Just because the other player doesn't have to answer, but the dealer (I don't know how your poker clubs work) should be allowed to get a count on your chips because it is important information to have.
|
|
|
|
Fnord
|
|
Moderator
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: I'll Do You Like A Truck
Posts: 19,204
|
|
You're entitled to a clear view of thier chips, particularly the big ones.
I'll often ask stuff like "what'cha got" or "have any whites ($100 chips in la). Stuff that can get a quick answer with the information I need. Unless you're settling action, asking for a count just slows the game down. Eventually you get good at figuring about what 20 chips looks like.
|
|
|
|
idfk
|
|
Two Pair
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Melboure, Australia
Posts: 28
|
|
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by Fnord
You're entitled to a clear view of thier chips, particularly the big ones.
I'll often ask stuff like "what'cha got" or "have any whites ($100 chips in la). Stuff that can get a quick answer with the information I need. Unless you're settling action, asking for a count just slows the game down. Eventually you get good at figuring about what 20 chips looks like.
|
@OP
1) That is very rude and improper betting annunciation. You should always be clear as to how much YOU are betting.
2) There's nothing wrong with asking, but you should be working this out already from the moment you sit down.
@Fnord
That's what I do - except here in Aus whites are worth only $1. I generally ask about greens and blacks ($25/$100) as I play $2/3NL.
--
Some other things:
I will also ask the question of who raised preflop (even though I know the answer).
I do like to be consistently inconsistent with whom I ask, and what I am holding. So in other words I will do this when I am holding the nuts, nothing or what have you.
Being gracious in defeat is something that I like to add to my poker etiquette. Even if they make a horrid call and you have them in for stacks. I just brush it off with I'll get you back next hand or make a comment about their seat being hot, etc.
I will never ask the player to move their hands away from their chips though - I ask the dealer to ask them as a good distraction from the hand in play.
Another thing that I like to do which is very bad etiquette but completely acceptable is I like to stack my chips in lots of $85. Here in Melbourne, Australia 2/3NL is the lowest buyin for live poker (not including pokerpro) and what we have to do is register for a table then go to the cashier and you would typically get handed a rack of chips for whatever you buyin for (max is $200). As I always max buyin, once I sit down, I stack in lots of $85 ($5 chips) and keep 6 chips for me to play with.
This way when players like Fnord are glancing over at your stack you don't have as much as what they think.  
|
|
|
|
sexualbanana
|
|
Join Date: Dec 2009
Posts: 9
|
|
If you're unsure, or you're planning on put them all-in anyways, you might as well just say you're all-in. Save yourself the trouble of counting out their stack.
|
|
|
|
Juice®
|
|
Join Date: Dec 2009
Posts: 16
|
|
When another player says "I put you all in", I do get a bit aggravated. For two reasons. One, how can you put my chips in the middle? And two, it's not even a real bet, according to RROP, which almost every card room on the planet uses.
|
|
|
|
Fnord
|
|
Moderator
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: I'll Do You Like A Truck
Posts: 19,204
|
|
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by Juice®
When another player says "I put you all in".
|
Just smile and ask him to be more specific.
|
|
|
English
Deutsch
Español
Français
Italiano
Nederlands
Pусский
Svenska
02-10-2012, 10:26 AM WPT Lucky Hearts Poker Open Starts Today in Florida
Linear Mode
