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pokerfan
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04-21-2009, 03:32 AM
Post subject: please rate my play in this spot
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4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: NS, Canada
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Loose 1/2NL 10-handed game. Effective stack is $230. My image was pretty tight and clean.
i opened $10 from UTG with :As: :Kd:, short stack($90) called , a Sunglass LAGG Asian 3 bet to $30 from SB. This guy was pretty loose and bet lots of weak hands. i also knew he probably 3 bet a little light but he never tabled his hand before, so i just flat called, short stack called.
flop($92): :Kh:   Sunglass checked, i checked, short stack checked.
turn($92):  sunglass checked, i bet $50, short stack shoved, sunglass called with some pain, i called $10 more.
river($272): :Td: sunglass bet $100, i gritted my teeth and called.
Did i make any mistake in this hand? please rate my play and give some more optimal preflop and postflop strategy.
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GahGah604
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Join Date: Mar 2008
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Thanks for the edit, anyways I misread your turn. I edited my post!
anyway...
like the smooth call preflop, hate the flop check, why give a free card here? build the pot and get some balls lol
hate the call on the turn, but I guess for 10$ more we can see another card.
River.. a terrible call, you one pair is wayyyyy behind short stack and LAGG asian. I insta fold here and hate the way I played this hand.
Let me guess, LAGG has straight? you guys fold in shame?
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Woutman984
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Join Date: Feb 2009
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Your almost always ahead of shortie and lagg preflop, so i'd say 4-bet to about 100$. shortie just called so he wont show up with AA or KK very often. if shortie folds and lag calls i would then shove just about any flop.
As played i'd bet 75$ish on the flop.
on the turn shorties line looks very much like a set, but your pot odds are so amazing you cant fold there. if he's bad enough he might even show up with a 9 or a weaker king.
On the river you should just fold. Sunglass guy got his straight and is taking you to value town. Id be very surprised if he didnt turn over 88
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Taicho
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3-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Bloomington, IL
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I 4-bet pre, definitely lead flop (even if you don't 4-bet you definitely should have bet the flop), bet turn enough to give LAGG incorrect odds to draw out on you.
As played, I think we have to fold the river unless you have the read that there's a somewhat-decent chance he's bluffing a 4-straight board.
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Originally Posted by GahGah604
hate the call on the turn, but I guess for 10$ more we can see another card.
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Gah you edited while I was responding, but you left this the same so I'll just respond to this quote: how do you "hate" a call of $10 more?
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pokerfan
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4-of-a-Kind
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Originally Posted by GahGah604
Thanks for the edit, anyways I misread your turn. I edited my post!
anyway...
like the smooth call preflop, hate the flop check, why give a free card here? build the pot and get some balls lol
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Is this WA/WB situation? If he is ahead , i have very low equity. If he is behind, he probably got 3 outs at best. Also, im not really worried about short stack cuz im committed against him anyways.
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Woutman984
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Join Date: Feb 2009
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Originally Posted by GahGah604
like the smooth call preflop
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Why on earth would you want to smooth call pf with AK? it's not an invincible hand. it's a friggin coinflip versus any small pocket pair. We want small pocket pairs to beleive we have an overpair. So, we bet it hard. only vs. AA and KK is it a mistake to 4-bet with AK. when we do 4-bet it, we fold out small pocket pairs because "he could have an overpair" even though shortie didnt have setmining odds to begin with, he'll probably give up when he's been put all in. And morons (probably like the people we are facing) call with AQ and AJ because "it looks so pretty"
The river is a very clear fold btw.shortie has 66,77 or 99 like 90% of the time and sunglass has 88 like 90% of the time
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pokerfan
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4-of-a-Kind
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i forgot to tell you guys that my image was very tight & clean and he 3 bet my UTG open in 10 -handed game.
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Woutman984
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Join Date: Feb 2009
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Originally Posted by pokerfan
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Originally Posted by GahGah604
Thanks for the edit, anyways I misread your turn. I edited my post!
anyway...
like the smooth call preflop, hate the flop check, why give a free card here? build the pot and get some balls lol
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Is this WA/WB situation? If he is ahead , i have very low equity. If he is behind, he probably got 3 outs at best. Also, im not really worried about short stack cuz im committed against him anyways. |
If he is ahead, he will let you know soon enough because all his money will be in the middle real soon. If he is behind, he could have all sorts of straight draws which you HAVE to charge money from to try and draw out on you.
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Woutman984
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Join Date: Feb 2009
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Originally Posted by pokerfan
i forgot to tell you guys that my image was very tight & clean and he 3 bet my UTG open in 10 -handed game.
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in games like these, you dont have an image. You can play QQ+ and AK only and still get 5 callers when you raise them UTG for 5 times the big blind
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Fnord
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Moderator
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: I'll Do You Like A Truck
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Lagg has you crushed unless he's a total maniac. Thinking LAggs have like QQ+/AK here always and you can even discount the Queens. They do all that retarded shit so you think AK/AQ/JJ/TT is ever good here.
Fold pre-flop as much as it sucks to wait another half hour for a playable spot for a lot of money. If you're stuck, then just re-raise to $80 and avoid holding up the game.
The flop check is so bad that my head just asssploded. Please give more free cards with one pair and half a buy-in in the pot.
Tell your cardroom to stop running 10 handed tables too.
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