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ChezJ
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02-22-2005, 07:22 PM
Post subject: observation about low limit B&M players
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i just got back from atlantic city and i am still reeling from the incredible weakness and passivity of the players i encountered there. every pot was 7-8 handed preflop, no matter how many raises, and yet they would check the flop all the way around if it came out either small rags or something scary (e.g., three clubs or a paired flop). i never saw so much checking in my life! they would check down the turn and river too sometimes!
nobody would dare to bet out unless they had TP, even in LP. and then, if someone did bet, they would ALL call, whether they had a pair or not. it was a bizarre mix of almost no betting yet way too much calling (which extracted the same chips from them anyway). raises were rare, and re-raises were almost nonexistent. people were downright shocked if i ever capped.
i saw a guy with KK give a free card to 4 players on the turn when the board was all rags. i saw another guy check down the river with TPTK just because there was a remote threat of a runner runner flush -- what a wuss! i bet into two guys on the river with two pair and got beaten by a flush and a full house, yet NEITHER opponent bothered to raise me!! wtf?? it's as if these people don't care about winning money, just not losing money. they don't ever bet or raise to protect their hands, and then they get all dejected when their unraised pocket rockets get beaten by the big blind's wacky two pair!
i once had Ac Kd and raised pre-flop, getting called by only the blinds. the flop was three clubs and both blinds checked, conveying glaringly undisguised weakness. i bet, and only the BB called me. turn was the As and he check-folded. because BB was my friend, and because it was the very first hand after the table opened, i showed my hand and the guy on my right expressed shock that i would bet the flop with "only a draw" vs two people who might already have a flush. i was like, "AS IF?!?" i started to respond but then had the presence of mind to shut up and let him keep playing his own brand of stupid-poker.
that was the prevalent mindset i observed at the casino: super-weak, super-passive, yet super-loose with the calls. they were aware of the potential threats on the board, so they'd check their pairs, yet still call if someone did bet to confirm the threat was real! when they checked, it always meant they were weak. there was no need to fear getting checkraised, because they were too clueless to do it, and too stupid to know what it meant when i checkraised them. as far as tells were concerned, weak was weak and strong was strong.
this was at the taj mahal playing $2/$4 and $3/$6. it was truly like taking candy from babies.
ChezJ
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i dont know if id like a game like that, if everyone is always check/calling youd never be able to tell when you're beat...but i guess you wouldnt lose much in the process either....
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Originally Posted by JJDylan
i dont know if id like a game like that, if everyone is always check/calling youd never be able to tell when you're beat...but i guess you wouldnt lose much in the process either....
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it's easy. value bet ace high or better.
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Fnord
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02-28-2005, 07:09 PM
Post subject: Re: observation about low limit B&M players
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Originally Posted by ChezJ
nobody would dare to bet out unless they had TP, even in LP. and then, if someone did bet, they would ALL call, whether they had a pair or not.
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It's kinda funny how they adapt to their own mistakes. In a game like that you can't bet without something.
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For the life of me, I can't figure out how to beat these idiots, as much as they deserve to be beaten.
I know you should do well playing tight-aggressive. But rockets don't mean a damn thing when 10 guys are calling and raising pre-flop with rag, rag offsuit. You can guarantee those aces will get rivered by some guy who capped all the way to the end and has two pair, seven duece. AAGGHHH!
Anyone who can explain a good strategy, I'm all ears.
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Originally Posted by JJDylan
i dont know if id like a game like that, if everyone is always check/calling youd never be able to tell when you're beat...but i guess you wouldnt lose much in the process either....
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ya, limit is scary, even when you have like top 2 pair, with 6-7 callers i'm nervous until the showdown.
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ChezJ
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i sat down at one $2/$4 table, got dealt rockets in the first hand, raised after 6 people had entered the pot, and everyone stuck around for the flop. one chick even bet into me on a ragged flop. i raised her on the flop and the turn. the river put a running pair of Q's on the board. i bet, 2 people called, and i still won showdown. about $120. chick was ramming her pair of 8's.
ChezJ
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