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02-09-2006, 09:50 PM
Post subject: Not enough B+M players on FTR?
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4-of-a-Kind
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I read the FTR forums all the time. I have learned so much from this site, and I'd like to contribute, but I'm much better live than I am online (no shit, I break even online, and over the past two months I'm ~$50/hr in 1/2nl b+m and I destroy small tourneys < 50 players). I think it is because I am fairly lagg, and I just need a little more information to play my game well.
That said, noone really posts much here in the B+M section. Is it that there just aren't enough FTRers that play B+M? Or is it that the B+M section is a page below all the more popular forums on the index? 
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Les_Worm
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more people play online frequently and play live much less often. there are also quite a few young players that don't have the chance to play live yet. speaking of your "breaking even" at online poker, you do know the players tend to be better than live player right? also the stakes are not equal. 5/10 lhe live is more like .5/1 online and obviously 1/2 nl live is nowhere near the 1/2 nl online.
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The artist formerly known as Knish
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STIdrivr
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Its also more of a hassle to write down everything for the hand that happend if it was in B&M, you can easily copy and paste a hand that happend online.
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4-of-a-Kind
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I'm aware of the differences between live and online players, I've written quite a bit about it. I tend to write about hands I've played and things I've thought about poker.
The easiest example is the preflop raises. Live game players like to raise (and over-call, and reraise with AQ) 7-10xBB preflop. We all know online its the standard 3-4xBB. In a 1/2NL live game a $6 preflop raise is nothing but a pot builder(think 78s).
I think part of it is that I don't really have an adequate bankroll to play higher limits online simply because the players are so much tighter. I basically bonus-whore from casino to casino, making maybe $200 a month. I play over my online roll because the lower limits just don't interest me much, and I move down only when it's required in order to release a bonus. At that point it just feels like work. When I have a few hours to play, I go to the casino instead. I live 20 minutes from foxwoods.
The point of the post was to see if anyone here was into talking a bit more about B+M experiences and strategies (and tells and player types that aren't common online, like the guy who just won $1700 on a blackjack table). Considering FTR is, after all, an Internet site, it only makes sense that most of the players here play exclusively online.
My mistake.
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Eric
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dev,
I think there will be more brick and mortar discussions as we get closer to the 2006 wsop. Hopefully there will be quite a few folks from ftr participating in some of the lower buy-ins like the $1500 no limit holdem event as well as some of the side cash games.
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Off5th
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Originally Posted by Les_Worm
speaking of your "breaking even" at online poker, you do know the players tend to be better than live player right? also the stakes are not equal. 5/10 lhe live is more like .5/1 online and obviously 1/2 nl live is nowhere near the 1/2 nl online.
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Can you elaborate on this please???
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Les_Worm
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Originally Posted by Les_Worm
speaking of your "breaking even" at online poker, you do know the players tend to be better than live player right? also the stakes are not equal. 5/10 lhe live is more like .5/1 online and obviously 1/2 nl live is nowhere near the 1/2 nl online.
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The average quality of player in a live 5/10 games does not equal that of the average player in an online 5/10 game. The live 5/10 players would more resemble those players that you would find in a .5/1 game online.
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Les_Worm wrote:
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Off5th wrote:
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Les_Worm wrote:
speaking of your "breaking even" at online poker, you do know the players tend to be better than live player right? also the stakes are not equal. 5/10 lhe live is more like .5/1 online and obviously 1/2 nl live is nowhere near the 1/2 nl online.
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Can you elaborate on this please???
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The average quality of player in a live 5/10 games does not equal that of the average player in an online 5/10 game. The live 5/10 players would more resemble those players that you would find in a .5/1 game online.
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B+M games are much easier to beat, this is true, but the types of players are different as well. It's a bit more poker and a bit less math. You also might notice that there are very few math players in B+M games (you could also say that there are fewer 'poker' players, in the matusow vs hellmuth sense, online).
I have played a lot of video games, and I tend to look at online poker in that sense. I have a bit of trouble playing well when there's a bunch of cartoon characters on the screen. My other problem is that online games with stakes that compare somewhat to my B+M and home games, tend to be very very tight. The lack of action is frustrating to me. The biggest hole in my game is a lack of discipline. It just seems online players are more willing to punish me for it.
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koolmoe
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I think one of the big deterrents to posting about B+M play is that many of us may not remember exactly how the hand played out. I know this plagues me.
Online I have the HH, so I don't have to remember it to post about it.
Only thing I would add is that I find B+M limit games to be very mathematical at the lower limits simply because those games are populated with calling stations moreso than online. As a result, you are more often faced with pot odds decisions when these passive players bet or raise, since you will very rarely be deciding whether a marginal hand is good (because it isn't).
I've never played live NL, so I can't comment on that. I imagine it is full of donkeys who hate limit because you can't bluff anyone out of a pot.
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sykotik489
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Live no limit isn't "full of donkeys who hate limit because you can't bluff anyone out of a pot", it's full of players who like to bet their hands and really make people pay to chase.
/threadjack.
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Kessler
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I started out playing mostly B&M 2/4 and 3/6. I gathered a roll for online play and started out @ the .50/1 beginner tables at Party. I still prefer B&M play, but I do agree that it will bore you if you're used to 4+ tabling online. I treat them like two different games, and have strategies for each. Living in Las Vegas, I have a plethora of Poker Rooms to choose from, but I have noticed that most of the live low-limit games that I play are considerably looser and more passive than an online game. I speculate that is simply because of the speed of the game and the fact that you can't multi-table live. So lots of pre-flop limpin' calling stations, and variance is a bitch. Suckouts happen, High PPs get cracked, and it all hurts. But just like always, proper play will prevail and get paid off eventually. Patience and discipline play a big part in it.
Also, I have found that my online experience has helped my live game quite a bit. Just the simple repetition of "good practice" has evolved my game much faster than ~24 hands / hr at the B&M tables. I was able to rack up 12,000 online hands in a matter of weeks, where that would have taken me a lot longer in the live cardroom.
-Kes
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