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MatthewS119
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09-07-2004, 03:49 AM
Post subject: Need help with friend??
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I play with the same group of friends almost all the time. People come and go but my best friend is always there. He is really hard to read. He does small stuff like when nobody is betting big and there is nothing but the blinds he will raise it maybe a few dollors knowing that he will not be called. Usually i don't call him because i don't have anything or i would of bet, it pisses me off cause that is just free money he is getting. He also bluffs alot or raises alot and then will hold on the river. But, today we werE playing and he was down about $20, i was up about $30 and the rest were even of down. Him being my friend he ask for a dollor and i gave it to him. To make a long story short he win's a few hands and then has some money, now he starts his bluffing shit probley had nothing over a 10 75% of the time, when i would call his bluff he would actually have something, the problem was that he was bluffing my all in. He makes his money back and everybody elses, i broke even. Got pissed off and left. WHAT SHOULD I DO TO STOP HIS SHIT AND ME NOT TO LOSS IT ALL WHEN UP SO MUCH.
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Humphrind
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09-07-2004, 05:42 AM
Post subject: Re: Need help with friend??
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Originally Posted by MatthewS119
WHAT SHOULD I DO TO STOP HIS SHIT AND ME NOT TO LOSS IT ALL WHEN UP SO MUCH.
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1st. Don't give him your money. 2nd, if you do give him your money, make him split winnings with you.
But if your questions is how to play against this type of player. Wait for a good hand, then let him bet into you. If you show weakness then he will make all your bets for you. If your hand is vulerable, you want to check-raise or re-raise. Otherwise, let him offer you money rather than letting him have a chance to fold.
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I don't know what they have to say
It makes no difference anyway.
Whatever it is...
I'm against it.
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AllinLife
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man no offense but I am so sick of this kind of thread.
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"Is there any chance I'm going to lay this 9-high baby down? That's really not my style."
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jmrogers7
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Don't take this the wrong way, but it sounds like perhaps your friend is the best player at your home game and he knows it.
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"The urge to gamble is so universal and it's practice is so pleasurable, that I assume it must be evil." - Heywood Broun
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MatthewS119
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He may be good, but the last few times we have played he has lost about $20. The problem is i know he is bluffing but wheb i call he will win with like an ace high or something.
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lonnie
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When I call a bluff, I like to do it with at least a pair.
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michael1123
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Originally Posted by MatthewS119
The problem is i know he is bluffing but wheb i call he will win with like an ace high or something.
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hahahaha ....
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MrSlippery
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Originally Posted by michael1123
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The problem is i know he is bluffing but wheb i call he will win with like an ace high or something.
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lol
OK, OK. Come on now. How, exactly, do you call an Ace high bluff and lose?
That's a nice read on the bluff, but if you can't beat a bluff, maybe you should fold. Or, just for fun, go all in and see if he calls your king high bluff.
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johnnyawe
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Dude, we're all kind of having a laugh here at your expense. The reason is because your posting reveals a number of weaknesses in your game, yet you are convinced that bad luck is what is causing you to lose. And that is a phase every beginning player goes through.
Basically, all indications are that this guy you're talking about losing to is a better player than you are. The only way you are going to beat him is if you elevate your game to the next level. Stick around the forum for a while and read through some posts. When you see a play or a theory you don't understand, ask about it and we'll explain the reasoning behind it.
That is probably the best way to learn. If we could just tell you how to get better we would, but it would be impossible for us impart the entire theory of the game on you in a single post or even a single thread.
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FyrFytr998
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Originally Posted by MatthewS119
The problem is i know he is bluffing but wheb i call he will win with like an ace high or something.
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Yeah, don't take that the wrong way. As the Natural said. Don't worry about your friends style of play. Concentrate on your own. As you will read in different postings in this forum. Players like your friend are the reason why alot of professional players get rich. So you have to turn your game up a few notches. Read some books, play online, gather as much knowledge as possible.
After a while, you'll notice trends and situations where you'll know exactly what the right call to make is. And when this happens. You'll minimize your losses and make your friend pay through the nose for his style of bad play.
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Originally Posted by TheNatural
Dude, we're all kind of having a laugh here at your expense. The reason is because your posting reveals a number of weaknesses in your game, yet you are convinced that bad luck is what is causing you to lose. And that is a phase every beginning player goes through.
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Very true. I was remembering the other day around when I first started playing and had no real conception of good starting hands, as any one high card looked good to me. I distinctly remember one day that I kept getting outkicked over and over. Then a hand comes up where I limped in with A5o, and called down with my pair of aces and lost again to a higher kicker. At the end of the hand I complained about my recent "bad luck" with kickers, and someone made a wise crack about how I should expect that when I play A5, and a couple people laughed. At first I thought his comment was just him being a jerk, as how can I possibly fold an ace without anyone raising preflop! But when I tried to think up a good defense for my play, surprisingly I couldn't. Then it dawned on me ... maybe this guy was on to something here ...
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Toasty
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Reminds me of a noobie friend I have who always used to complain about me folding Ax hands pre-flop "Never stack an ace" hehe made me laugh.
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MatthewS119
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played with him a few times this weekend and took all his money. I have been reading the book Super System and it must be helping.
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Les_Worm
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Originally Posted by MatthewS119
He may be good, but the last few times we have played he has lost about $20. The problem is i know he is bluffing but wheb i call he will win with like an ace high or something.
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The goal is not to call his bluff and hope your cards are better. If you know he is bluffing then you need to take pots away from him by making him fold. Raise him out of those pots.
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Fnord
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The goal is not to call his bluff and hope your cards are better. If you know he is bluffing then you need to take pots away from him by making him fold. Raise him out of those pots.
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It depends on your cards. With a pretty good holding against aggressive players I'll run check/call, check/call, bet; and call, call, raise lines.
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Les_Worm
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The goal is not to call his bluff and hope your cards are better. If you know he is bluffing then you need to take pots away from him by making him fold. Raise him out of those pots.
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It depends on your cards. With a pretty good holding against aggressive players I'll run check/call, check/call, bet; and call, call, raise lines. |
If you KNOW that he is bluffing, I don't like the check/call line. If hes holding some crap like 57o, I don't want to give him a chance to hit runner runner to win. Against an agressive player, I'm more inclined to check/raise then check call. I know the odds of him hitting two 7's or 5/7 on the turn/river are slim but it does happen. I'd rather win a smaller pot then lose a big one because I didn't show any aggression.
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Fnord
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You have QQ in the CO. Folded to you and you raise. Aggressive player in the BB calls.
Flop is: K33r
BB bets
Your plan?
Home game and/or high stakes, so rake isn't a factor. You have A9s in the BB. Aggressive player raises from LMP. Folded to you and you call.
Flop is: A83r, one of your suit.
Your plan?
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Les_Worm
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Originally Posted by Fnord
You have QQ in the CO. Folded to you and you raise. Aggressive player in the BB calls.
Flop is: K33r
BB bets
Your plan?
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Threre is no bluff here by the aggressive player. This situation I would check call, but I thought we were talking about a situation where something shows aggression and we know they are bluffing.
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Home game and/or high stakes, so rake isn't a factor. You have A9s in the BB. Aggressive player raises from LMP. Folded to you and you call.
Flop is: A83r, one of your suit.
Your plan?
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I fold preflop to the raise.
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Fnord
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Home game and/or high stakes, so rake isn't a factor. You have A9s in the BB. Aggressive player raises from LMP. Folded to you and you call.
Flop is: A83r, one of your suit.
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I fold preflop to the raise. |
There is an empty seat for you to my left....
Lets say you do call, what's your plan?
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Les_Worm
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Originally Posted by Fnord
There is an empty seat for you to my left....
Lets say you do call, what's your plan?
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Flop: Check/Call
Turn:Check/Call anything small or meduim, Fold to any pot size bets. (Unless this brings me 4 to a flush)
River: If I make it this far, I check/call.
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The artist formerly known as Knish
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