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StirlingSlim
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10-13-2006, 05:20 PM
Post subject: Misread hand and mucked cards
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Join Date: Sep 2006
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This is a one table SNG home tournament.
Player A is called all-in on the river.
The board was 7-5-4-3-3 with no flushes.
Player A shows 7-4 for two pair.
Player B (the mucker) throws his cards face down into the muck.
As the chips are being gathered, but before any cards on the table are touched... the mucker is asked what he had.
10-10 is the answer.
It is pointed out that that hand wins (2 pair, 10s and 3s)
At this point the top two cards were picked out of the muck and were shown to be 10-10.
Note: There is no question with respect to cheating, everybody agrees that the mucker had 10-10 and that the mucker had what would have been the winning hand.
Is the mucker’s hand valid, or is the hand as good as folded as soon as it hits the muck?
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bode
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Straight Flush
Join Date: May 2006
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good as folded IMO. if he cant read the board, then he deserves the lost pot
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swiggidy
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4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Sep 2005
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Technically it's a fold. At our friendly/fun home games we have people show their cards when it's an all-in so we don't have these problems.
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gengar
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Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Henderson, NV
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Muck = fold, no question.
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mrhappy333
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Full House
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Hartford, CT
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Muck = Fold. , No Question...QFT
This same thing happened to me. I thought I won because the guy threw his cards face down, then some Idiot asked him what did you have? then he turns over the two cards to show the winner, after he already folded, and I was pulling the chips in.
I WAS PISSED. Luckily I didn't go on tilt but I let everyone know at the table how F'd it was.
If someone wants to fold, let them. then get the cards all together as fast as possible.,
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3 3 3 I'm only half evil.
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evoman
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Join Date: Aug 2006
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Well it actualy depends on who asked if you can beleive that. The actual rule is if the winner asks to see the hand the hand is live again however if another player asks then the hand is still dead. You dont have to beleive me just look up the rules.
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mrhappy333
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something similar like this happened to me again last night in my Thursday night Donk fest. We were playing an 8 person freeze out, one guy joking looked at his cards and said, oh this is a mis deal. we didn't think anything of it, untill the action gets around to the SB, and we say what are you doing??, and he said oh, I thought it was a misdeal and threw my hand out..
we all said oh well....then the flop comes out and he's trying to look through the mucked cards saying I know what I had...blah,blah,blah.
we all said fxxk you, you folded you dumb ass. Pay attention next time.
This is the same guy who won't turn his cards over when he's all in and its heads up...how do we deal with that ass.
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3 3 3 I'm only half evil.
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evoman
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Join Date: Aug 2006
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Originally Posted by mrhappy333
something similar like this happened to me again last night in my Thursday night Donk fest. We were playing an 8 person freeze out, one guy joking looked at his cards and said, oh this is a mis deal. we didn't think anything of it, untill the action gets around to the SB, and we say what are you doing??, and he said oh, I thought it was a misdeal and threw my hand out..
we all said oh well....then the flop comes out and he's trying to look through the mucked cards saying I know what I had...blah,blah,blah.
we all said fxxk you, you folded you dumb ass. Pay attention next time.
This is the same guy who won't turn his cards over when he's all in and its heads up...how do we deal with that ass.
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IMO if your at a home game theres not much you can do but refuse to continue dealing the hand untill he turns them over. Mostly I would just take his chips cause he aperantly knows nothing of the game.
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ChezJ
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wow, evoman, i was 100% sure you were wrong that mucked cards could ever come back from the dead... but then i looked up the rules as you suggested:
5. Any player who has been dealt in may request to see any hand that is eligible to participate in the showdown, even if the opponent's hand or the winning hand has been mucked. However, this is a privilege that may be revoked if abused. If a player other than the pot winner asks to see a hand that has been folded, that hand is dead. If the winning player asks to see a losing player’s hand, both hands are live, and the best hand wins.
http://www.homepokertourney.com/rule...m#THE_SHOWDOWN
i learn something new every day!!!
ChezJ
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IowaSkinsFan
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Straight Flush
Join Date: Oct 2004
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Wow so if anyone mucks there hand never ask them what they had.
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ChezJ
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Full House
Join Date: Oct 2004
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yeah i have to say, it is bad sportsmanship to win a pot and then ask the loser what he called you with. it's like rubbing his face in it. if he happens to have a better hand, you deserve to lose the pot.
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Miffed22001
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Straight Flush
Join Date: Jun 2005
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god, im glad i didnt know this rule id have lost a huge pot i bluffed last night after i asked to see what a guy had folded!  
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j8ofclubs
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Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Minnesota
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yeah i thougt i knew that rule totally i just thought you could see them but i didnt know the hand was live
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