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stinger
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05-14-2010, 11:45 PM
Post subject: Looking for advice
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3-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Missouri
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1/3 Live HL I have been at the casino playing what I think is solid poker for about 5 hours and have been holding my own. Up some, down some stealing blinds etc. I took a dinner break and was moved to different table which was way more aggressive than the one I was forced to leave...lots of pre flop raising.
I get QQ on the button. I raise to 4x the BB and get three callers. The flop is 4-4-7 rainbow. It is checvked to me and I bet 20.00 and get one caller. The turn is a 9 and the lone caller bets 40.00 and I go all-in for 135.00 and he calls. The river is a J no flush no straight on the board. I flip over my Q.s and he turns over 2-4os for trip 4's.
Here is my question. Was my opening bet too little? Should I have folded to his raise. I figured him for two small pair.
I am wondering if I had bet out 25.00 pre flop and he had called and then bet 20.00 on the flop and he had raised I probably would have folded and only been out 45.00 in lieu of 185.00. I may have only won the blinds but I wouldnt have lost it all. I still think my main problem is betting and betting sizing.
Most of the advice I read tells you to play only the top 12-15 hands.
With 1/3 blinds do you think you can add more hands. Like A-J os, Q-J os
A-10s to a raise of 6.00 to 12.00. I have sufficient bankroll to weather the swings but no one likes to lose.
Any constructive advice will be appreciated
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Fnord
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Why did you move-in on the turn?
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He had been playing junk all night and I figured to win it right then and there beforehe got luck on the river. Even when the J hit on the river I was still feeling OK since I figured him for two small pair ir a J rag, It nevered occured to me he would call with 4-2 pre flop. I am really wondering asbout my bet sizing.
Would you have folded or played out your QQ with nothing higher on the board?
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Fnord
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Stop thinking like a bitch and start thinking more like a winning poker player.
What range are you putting him on when he bets out $40 on the turn?
What's your equity against each type of holding he could have?
What do you expect him to do with various hands in his range if you flat? Re-raise?
If you flat, what does his river line look like with various hands?
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High Card
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these question are I want to know
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Rupeni
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regarding only playing the top 12-15 hands, isn't that only when you're learning? Depending on position and the action before you, most "solid" players would play suited connectors (no gappers like 78 are best - better odds of making straights), suited aces, good suited kings, like q9s, j9s all from late position, also like qj kj even like qt from late position ATo from middle position, any suited broadways from any position. In loose crappy games you can probably make money with all pairs from all positions.
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Fnord
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Fnord
What range are you putting him on when he bets out $40 on the turn?
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4x, 7x, any pocket pair (weighted towards the bigger ones and ones that hit the board as he will usually fold like 22 or at least check the turn with it.) His line is rarely a bluff coming from a very raw player. It's a probe bet or to stop you from checking behind. A more seasoned player might run this line as a bluff, but it's quite surprising how often they have it here and how rarely this is like AK.
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Originally Posted by Fnord
What's your equity against each type of holding he could have?
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You have just about any holding you're ahead of (other than AK) on 2 or 3 outs. Every other holding has you on 2 outs. Classic way ahead/behind spot.
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Originally Posted by Fnord
What do you expect him to do with various hands in his range if you flat? Re-raise?
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If you re-raise, he will tend to fold his weaker holdings (but not always!)
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Originally Posted by Fnord
If you flat, what does his river line look like with various hands?
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He will check or block his weakest hands. His strongest hands will either make a small bet for value or go all-in the turn unless he thinks he's being cute by running a really bizarre check/raise.
The line that makes us the most money is flatting the turn intending to read his river line but tending to call anything less than a shove. That way you win the max against the hands nearly drawing dead and allow the live tendency to under-bet the pot for value to save you money when he has you crushed.
If he checks I'd bet like $50 on the river and fold to a snap shove. Might call a fuck-it-shove but still want to fold.
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