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RockyMoose
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08-17-2009, 06:36 PM
Post subject: Live tells
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Straight
Join Date: Jul 2008
Posts: 196
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Just got back from a weekend in Las Vegas, played a lot of cards.
I picked up on a lot of tells! One guy in my big blind would look at his cards and decide immediately if he was going to play the hand. I could tell by his body language and stole blinds like mad.
I also started watching people's eyes during the flop. I wasn't obvious about it, just watching their expression instead of looking at the flop. Very helpful.
Here's my question: in a 1/2 no limit game, and often in a tourney, too, villain will bet out on the river and hold his cards and look at me, ready to flip them over if I call. Does that indicate strength?
My feeling is that it indicates a strong hand: they expect me to call or fold, not raise. I suppose it's situation-dependent.
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KoRnholio
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4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Jul 2005
Posts: 2,165
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More often than not that is indicative of a weak hand. They are acting strong by making it look like they expect/want you to call so they can turn over a winner.
In Vegas a few weeks ago I was in a small buyin tourny (with a poor final table structure, blinds double every 20 mins) where a guy did this. Maybe 25 minutes ago (~5 handed) the Villain shoved for like 20bbs with T6o while on the button against the short stacked tight old lady SB and me in the BB (Woman called and won with A9). He was kind of a maniac when on steals, but very rarely called out of position.
We're 3 handed now, I have a pretty big chip lead, Villain is in second with just under half my chips, old lady is short stacked again. I don't recall the blinds/antes, but I think he shoved for about 6bbs. Woman folded, and I had Qd7d. I recall I was getting about 3:2 on my money and he very well could be pushing any 2 here.
As I pondered a call, I noticed he was staring at me and holding his cards at an angle, as if ready to flip them over if I said call. I probably would have called without witnessing his act, but his act made it easier to call. I called, he had 8d5d and I held up.
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fkscreennames
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Join Date: Aug 2009
Posts: 10
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That is one mistake people make. When the flop comes out you should watch your opponents reaction before checking out the flop yourself. The flop isn't going anywhere, however there expression is instant.
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ThisFord
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Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Norfolk, VA
Posts: 16
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Agreed, playing with beginners you always notice that the players cant wait to look at their cards and many give away their hand before you even look at your cards if you just wait for the action to reach you. Just watch any pro on tv and you'll see he doesnt instantly grab his cards from the deal and pray for aces!
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ehkay47
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Join Date: Aug 2009
Posts: 11
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I think you have to play with a person a lot before you even get anywhere near to having any sort of tell on them.
Anything they do could mean anything. You have to see some showdowns first and then start working backwards, putting the puzzle together. But eventually you can get tells on anyone, it just takes time.
Only fitting though, as patient a game as No Limit Hold 'Em is.
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Chris White
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Join Date: Sep 2009
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This comes across to me as the villain guy holding a weak hand and is trying to represent strength by anxiously waiting to turn his cards over.
But as everyone knows, weak = strong, strong = weak.
Always the opposite
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stinger
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3-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Missouri
Posts: 57
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3/6 Limit Live (I dont play this anymore Now 1/2NL)
The player on my left had a tell by the way he held his chips. He would either pick up 3 chips in his hand or 6 chips and hold them as the action came around to him if he was going to call or raise. I always watch him before I acted.
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