Originally Posted by oskar

With your stack size I think 66 is not a good open from EP.
You're looking for hands that can make a decent top pair that you can then shovel all your money in with. 66 flops a set 1 in 8 times and not much else.

How do you "figure" you have the best hand?

What hands are they calling with? How many players are in the hand and what positions did they call from? Do they all have you covered?

If you don't remember, make something up.

We'll get into why having the best hand isn't a reason to bet in a sec.

Originally Posted by paratrooper99

IMO, you are crushed. How does "garbage" not fit this board?

3 4 7 3 (rainbow Im guessing)

Villian either has a 3 and acting weak for you to call, flopped a straight, has a set, or a weak overpair like 88 or 99.
Also, try to find a game with 100bb buyins or adjust your opening range/opening bet.
If you are opening PP under 99, suited aces, suited broadways, etc , you are committing too much preflop.
Example for 1/2 game with buyin of 100.
You have AsKs UTG+1 and you open to 8bb and get 3 callers (SB BB and BU). The pot is now 24 BB and you only have 42 left. Flop comes A 9 4 with 2 clubs. As you say, you want to protect your hand and get value but any sensible c-bet here commits you to the pot.
If you dont have a better game available, play online or adjust your opening bet to 2.5x or 3x bb.
GL.

Originally Posted by oskar

I'll do this in a fairly unscientific way, but it should be close enough. They average out at 60% of hands played. A 60% range hits TP or better about 22% of the time on that board. There are five other people in the hand, and you want to know how often you have the best hand right there. that*s 0.68^5

^^ this will not get the right result because the ranges are not seperate. If one person has A7, another person cannot. But with ranges that wide it won't be miles off.

So you stand to have the best hand roughly 15% of the time here.


With that out of the way: let's say you're up against one or two opponents. You have the best hand more often than not. This is still not a reason to bet. If you're not getting called by enough hands that have less equity in the hand than you do, there is still no reason to bet, other than as a bluff.


In this game I would not play small pp's other than in lp or completing the sb in a multi-way limped pot. Broadway hands go way up in value, as well as suited aces. You're not looking to make the nuts. You want to isolate 1-3 players, flop top pair and get it in.

Open for 5-10x the bb as well. prolly closer to 10x
but pay attention to stack sizes...

Originally Posted by baudib

I'd suggest being more aware of details when you're involved in a hand, particularly when you are shortstacked and raising.

not trying to be a d1ck, but yeah, it makes a big difference if there are 4 or 6 limpers already in. people's limp behind range comprises a lot of pps 22-99.

Originally Posted by pat3392

Wow nicely explained. How did you work out that math, really intrigued