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pokerfan
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03-08-2009, 05:34 AM
Post subject: Live HK$10/20 in macau
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4-of-a-Kind
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i had a great time in macau, enjoyed good food and played some 10/20 cash games in pokerstars land-based room.
Lots of loose actions at the table. My op is a western tourist(semi-tight by live standard) who might think he is a lot better than me cuz i play fairly tight sorta passive and probably fold 90% of my hands. I have $2.4k chip stack and op has me covered.
KcKs UTG1, i raised to $80,2 cold callers and OP called from BB.
flop($330) : 8h Qh Jd i bet like $300, two folds, OP slowly grabbed some big chips and c/r up to $1k.
How do you guys proceed?
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Fnord
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Move in barring more information.
Not sure if $2k is a lot of money to you because this is one of those spots where you're going to be gambling for a lot of money against his range.
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ATOTHEC101
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This sounds like a fairly standard fold, arn't we either flipping or crushed here?
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"This sure beats Super Mario Bros.!" is my ejaculation catch phrase.
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Fnord
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Originally Posted by ATOTHEC101
This sounds like a fairly standard fold
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Barring more information this is a felt for me. But I don't think this is a super-high value spot.
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ArcadianRock
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It's pretty draw heavy here so felting isn't so bad. Depends if all that money is your playing money for the whole time or not.
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pokerfan
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Originally Posted by ATOTHEC101
This sounds like a fairly standard fold, arn't we either flipping or crushed here?
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it might be a fairly standard fold in online games but we must think twice about it in live cash.
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Fnord
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Ask Renton what the standard play is I guess.
I'm felting here as a default, but there are a lot of live players I could let this go against. Either way, I don't think think it's a high-value spot. Just a lot of money in the pot.
I just see too much stupid shit to fold a good hand in a big pot.
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pokerfan
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Originally Posted by Fnord
Ask Renton what the standard play is I guess.
I'm felting here as a default, but there are a lot of live players I could let this go against. Either way, I don't think think it's a high-value spot. Just a lot of money in the pot.
I just see too much stupid shit to fold a good hand in a big pot.
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honestly, i fold this most of the time in online FR 100NL+ games. 
i saw lots of bad zero-level thinking players, so i shoved and took it down vs AQ. Seriously, its the only big hand i played during the entire night in macau.
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Fnord
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Originally Posted by pokerfan
i saw lots of bad zero-level thinking players, so i shoved and took it down vs AQ. Seriously, its the only big hand i played during the entire night in macau.
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Renton
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seems like pretty straightforward fold and i would bet less to begin with
a live player probably has all t9/qj combos here which is a ton of hands
QJ7 would be totally different and a lot tougher spot
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Renton
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that said, i don't play live ever and fnord does often, so he's probably right. Also since the stack to pot ratio is very low you can't make a huge mistake calling.
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mxiu
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in a live game, AQ/KQ dominates most of opps range for this kind of play.. I stack off most of the time here.
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Fnord
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97,020 games 0.005 secs 19,404,000 games/sec
Board: Qh Jd 8h
Dead:
equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 54.322% 54.06% 00.27% 52445 258.50 { KcKs }
Hand 1: 45.678% 45.41% 00.27% 44058 258.50 { QQ-JJ, 88, AhKh, AQs, AhJh, AhTh, Ah9h, Ah8h, Ah7h, Ah6h, Ah5h, Ah4h, Ah3h, Ah2h, KQs, KhJh, KTs, Kh9h, Kh8h, Kh7h, Kh6h, Kh5h, Kh4h, Kh3h, Kh2h, QJs, QhTh, Qh9h, Qh8h, Qh7h, Qh6h, Qh5h, Qh4h, Qh3h, Qh2h, JhTh, Jh9h, Jh8h, Jh7h, Jh6h, Jh5h, Jh4h, Jh3h, Jh2h, Th9h, Th8h, Th7h, Th6h, Th5h, Th4h, Th3h, Th2h, 9h8h, 9h7h, 9h6h, 9h5h, 9h4h, 9h3h, 9h2h, 8h7h, 8h6h, 8h5h, 8h4h, 8h3h, 8h2h, 7h6h, 7h5h, 7h4h, 7h3h, 7h2h, 6h5h, 6h4h, 6h3h, 6h2h, 5h4h, 5h3h, 5h2h, 4h3h, 4h2h, 3h2h, AQo, KQo, KTo, QJo }
I toyed with the range a bunch more. It's about a coin flip. Let's flip a coin for $5k with dead money in the pot. WHEEEE!!!!!!!!!!
My thoughts:
AQ/KQ are a fold
KK is a close shove
AA is a better shove
Any other one pair hands better have a flush draw to go with them to continue.
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