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SushiWizard
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12-25-2008, 12:27 AM
Post subject: Live 1/2nl Can I beat this game?
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Join Date: Sep 2007
Posts: 43
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Hi guys!
I have a few questions about Live 1/2nl play, I havent been able to figure out an optimal strategy for these games but first let me explain a bit about them.
Where i live, the local casinos have the live 1/2 games and they play pretty much loose/passive with tons of limpers and tons of people calling down with weak hands that they cannot fold. Multiway pots are common and in my opinion the players there make very bad mistakes.
My question to you guys is how should my strategy change when the allowable buy in is only 50bbs? The casinos here only allow you to buy-in for $100 not the full $200.
I think that I am leaking a lot of money by raising with my AK,AQ,KQ hands because I am called often by more than 2-3 players and C bets frequently get called with marginal hands. Basically if I whiff the flop im forced to check behind or check/fold.. Even though I can see the many mistakes people are making in these games, I feel as if I have no edge because i often have to play fit or fold..
I have also tried to play more hands against these players, for example limping in late with Sc's and PPs and trying to hit big..
is it okay to be doing this from position, even though everyone is half-stacked?
Additionaly, I'm having problems with knowing which hands to isolate limpers with. For example maybe ill be sitting with KQs on the button facing 4 limpers.. Is it okay to raise here even if i know that I will not get many folds?? Often times it just leaves me in a large multiway pot and when I whiff the flop I feel powerless to do ANYTHING..
Many aspects of this half-stacked / loose passive game give me trouble. I need help with an overall strategy here . Should i be dumping drawing hands alltogether since the implied odds are worse? Should i not raise limpers so often with Hands like AK AQ KQ??
Any advice to beating these games would be greatly appreciated and thoughts from everyone are welcome.
Thanks in advance guys!
-Andre
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If they call your cbets every time, don't cbet
what happens when you hit? they call every time, right?
suited connectors and small pps lose a lot of value from being shortstacked
I'd prefer hands like ATo to 87s when playing with 50BB against loose passive opponents
with KQs it's fine to raise IMO because you're putting in money when you have more than your share in equity
if you know they're making a mistake calling down too much, then you should fold more and bet more
fold when they bet into you and you don't have anything good because they're probably only betting really good hands and not bluffing
bet when you have a marginal hand that will get paid off by a worse one
and don't bluff/cbet
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Robb
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4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Aug 2007
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IOPQ hit all the highlights. I will suggest this. Read up on Fnord's short-stacking 50bb strategy since that's basically what you're playing. It's not perfect since it assumes everyone else is playing 100bb deep. But it will give you the correct idea to consider when forced to short stack.
The main thing is to play more high cards than small pp's and med sc's. Get the chips in preflop with premium hands, 3betting big when necessary. With hands like AQ+, KQ, top pair is the nuts on the flop (in a loose loose game).
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Cole24b
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Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Miami
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I do not know what your bankroll is, but the majority of the time people who sit in at these 1/2NL 100 max games are playing bingo poker with thier paychecks. I have seen guys waste 1000s of dollars just for something to do on a friday night and more often than not those are the guys who catch and make it hard to be so patient, especially short stacked. I agree with not playing Scs or mpp unless you have position. Get your money in prefold with strong hands and hope to not get outdrawn.
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"If there was no luck involved I would win everytime." - Phil Hellmuth
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Originally Posted by Robb
IOPQ hit all the highlights. I will suggest this. Read up on Fnord's short-stacking 50bb strategy since that's basically what you're playing. It's not perfect since it assumes everyone else is playing 100bb deep. But it will give you the correct idea to consider when forced to short stack.
The main thing is to play more high cards than small pp's and med sc's. Get the chips in preflop with premium hands, 3betting big when necessary. With hands like AQ+, KQ, top pair is the nuts on the flop (in a loose loose game).
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top pair is the nuts 50BB deep anyway
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Robb
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4-of-a-Kind
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Originally Posted by iopq
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Originally Posted by Robb
IOPQ hit all the highlights. I will suggest this. Read up on Fnord's short-stacking 50bb strategy since that's basically what you're playing. It's not perfect since it assumes everyone else is playing 100bb deep. But it will give you the correct idea to consider when forced to short stack.
The main thing is to play more high cards than small pp's and med sc's. Get the chips in preflop with premium hands, 3betting big when necessary. With hands like AQ+, KQ, top pair is the nuts on the flop (in a loose loose game).
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top pair is the nuts 50BB deep anyway |
He's worried about the fish schooling. Like you say, at 50bb stacks they aren't getting the right odds to draw. If they're doing it, he's gonna win a ton with TPGK. But you've gotta be willing to felt the flop. And OP seems gun shy right now.
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mrhappy333
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Full House
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Hartford, CT
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whats the rake where you are playing? If you have to pay time at the table you probly are getting fucked. If they drag the pot,then the rake won't be soo bad.
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SushiWizard
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Join Date: Sep 2007
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Originally Posted by mrhappy333
whats the rake where you are playing? If you have to pay time at the table you probly are getting fucked. If they drag the pot,then the rake won't be soo bad.
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They take 2 for the rake and drop an additional 1 for the jackpot everytime a flop is delt. They also rake an additional chip from any pots over $30
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kb coolman
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Join Date: Oct 2008
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In my experience playing 1/2 and 1/3 around Oklahoma and Las Vegas, these stakes are incredibly loose without much talent. It's like Cole said.
And for the rake, they take the BB every hand? That sucks big time. Most places have a no flop, no drop policy. Overall, a $4 max for a pot over $30 isn't too bad. Usually, the SB is raked for the jackpot, then 5% of the pot up to a max of between $3-$5.
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donkbee
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Why poker fucks with our heads: it's the master that beats you for bringing in the paper, then gives you a milkbone for peeing on the carpet.
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