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baudib
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11-15-2009, 09:49 AM
Post subject: KTo shove vs. tilting maniac
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I was playing an insane $1/$2 game that evolved into a $5/$10 because of a guy on tilt. Guy was raising in the dark, betting without looking at cards.He was already down $2k and was buying in for $500 about every 20 minutes.
I was waiting and waiting as everyone else was doubling up off him, and couldn't catch a hand.
I'm on the button and I call Mississippi for $6 (straddle that starts the action with the small blind).
I hear him say "Yo this is the first time I've seen a face card in ages, I'm not even going to look at the other one."
He's first to act and raises to $45, with about $450 behind. He gets a cold caller, a LAGGY kid who had doubled up off him, but now seems to be scared money. He has $300 behind. I put him on a range of small pairs, 22-99, Ax, Kxs, broadways. I think he would reraise with JJ+, AK. So the strongest hands he MIGHT have are 99-TT, AQ.
I have KTo on the button (and I finish the action because of Mississippi) with $180. As he gets a call, he looks at the other and I hear him say "wow, the other one's not too good though."
This is an easy shove right? I'm 100% sure maniac is calling.
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baudib
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well I stoved it, looks like an easy shove unless the kid is slowplaying a monster pair or AK, which I seriously doubt.
1,465,215,399,648 games 2608.482 secs 561,711,907 games/sec
Board:
Dead:
equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 40.780% 39.21% 01.57% 574541858856 22971476304.00 { TT-22, AQs-A2s, K2s+, QTs+, JTs, AQo-A2o, KTo+, QTo+, JTo }
Hand 1: 35.814% 33.99% 01.83% 497984766228 26760875466.00 { KTo }
Hand 2: 23.407% 22.61% 00.80% 331262181732 11694241062.00 { K8s-K2s, Q7s-Q2s, J7s-J2s, K8o-K2o, Q8o-Q2o, J8o-J2o }
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Playing big pots at small stakes.
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baudib
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I should add more from this session.
After the KTo three-way for stacks preflop, I lost mainpot/took a huge sidepot with a set of Jacks vs. set of Queens vs. unknown vs. the same villains, then dragged a titanic pot three-way all-in preflop with AA vs. maniac's QQ vs. a huge fish's KQo.
Things had settled down a bit and UTG limps for $2. He's a solid LAGGY and I put him on any 2 suited cards. UTG+1 folds and I'm next with AKo. I raise to $11.
1 fold and a very solid player calls. Maniac FOLDS! another calls, the LAGGY kid from the first hand repops from the button to $50. UTG folds.
I call the $50 -- possibly a mistake? Again I think he's very aggressive and 3-betting a wide range on the button, and frankly $11 raises were considered limping in at this game (25-50x BB raises were standard at this table). In this environment I didn't see how I could fold for $39 more, I was also 500 BBs deep, reraiser has 250 BBs and solid cold-caller to my left has 300 BBs.
The cold caller raises to $175.
I had seen him do this before with AK, making a backraise after calling an EP raise and shoving when a fish three-bet from the blinds and all folded. In this situation, with me still in the hand, he has to put me on at least TT+/AK. That's a shove-inducing raise to say the least.
The button calls.
While I'm happy flipping AK for stacks with 200 BBs dead money in the pot, I couldn't imagine that I was drawing very live here -- easiest fold ever?
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oskar
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KT is pretty thin no matter what he has with virtually no fold equity, but it can't be a huge mistake given the circumstances.
In the AK hand I hate the call oop. Just shove to the button raise. - you get to see 5 cards, they can't fold when the A hits, and you're folding out lots of better hands.
I was just going to say that the game isn't becoming 5/10 when they straddle and raise blind, or when you can get away with 10x+1 opening raises. You're still only paying $3 in blinds every orbit. If you have the roll to sustain the swings when you do take even the slightest edge, then do. But this game would still be hugely profitable if you only play a very tight range.
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baudib
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I hear ya, I'm 100% with you on the AK except I felt 300 BBs was a lot to ship pre with players left to act.
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baudib
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but don't we want him to always call with face-small, even if third kid is only coming along with hands that are slightly ahead?
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Playing big pots at small stakes.
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Fnord
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I ship the KT if I want to play a bigger stack an think I have good equity.
That said, I probably fold.
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Rupeni
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utg was aces or kings?
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