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BoondockSaint

04-13-2004, 08:32 PM Post subject: This is just a what if case but what would you do if........

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Say you have AK suited or unsuited it doesnt matter. I usually raise this somewhere between 2.50 and 5 dollars preflop. Well as you know a lot of morons call stuff like 3 dollars with low pocket pairs. Say the flop is AK8 and you raise 3-5 somewhere and you are reraised all in. Would you make this call or fold. I think I would pretty much make the call everytime but I'm just curious what you would do. This hasnt happened to me yet but I'm assumming it will sometime. I think 7 out of 10 times they would have AK too. 2.5 they would have either AA or KK and like .5 they would have the smaller pair trips or possible A or K with the smaller pair. Would you agree? Oh yeah and sometimes they are going to be 100% retarded and not have anything.

I broke the 500 profit mark on friday night. Hopefully I don't fall back below it. I'm about 554 I believe right now. I have also changed my strategy a tad. I still play the same hands but I have changed to playing the better hands a lot more aggressive and it has worked out quite well.

Also I took up a variation of Fnord's strategy of a $1 bet is always better than 50 cents. So basically I never bet 50 cents anymore but a lot of times I will bet 2 dollars instead to fold out any iffys hitting like 2 running flush cards or a miracle straight when they have just a low pair at the time being.

One more thing - I started playin the NL 50 tables at royal vegas instead of the 25 at party. Im going back and forth though.

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SteveO

04-13-2004, 08:56 PM

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I'll give you the cliche answer, it depends. It depends on who the bettor was and the size of his stack. My initial gut instinct is to FOLD. The available information says you are against a pure, wild bluff or a set of eights, As or Ks. I have been burned so many times by overplaying 2 pair, even top two pair, that my gut tells me to fold. Why go all in with the hopes of splitting the pot praying that he has AK too?

You would have to assume that you are against a very poor player who called you pre-flop raise with Ax and is grossly overplaying his top pair. I always try to assume the my opponent knows what they are doing and give their all-in raise respect unless there is reliable information to contrary ie. consistent maniac play.

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04-13-2004, 09:05 PM

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i would make the call assuming the reraiser had not been playing exceptionally tight and getting "tricky" with their play - e.g. slow playing big pairs and such. you would think that if they had AA, KK they would have reraised you preflop. like you said, the odds should favor the call over the long run.

of course, they're probably holding 38o and the turn/river will bring two more 3's!

congrats on your profits! give us a report on royal vegas sometime - i hadn't heard of them.

Fnord

04-13-2004, 09:34 PM Post subject: Re: This is just a what if case but what would you do if....

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Originally Posted by BoondockSaint

They could also have A8s or AQ or AJ or KQ or a draw to gutshot straight or flush. AA, KK and 88 are extremely unlikely. I would call except against the tightest opponent with grim pot odds on my call. If you can't take AK to the felt with 2 pair, then what's the point of playing the hand?

BoondockSaint

04-14-2004, 02:10 AM

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Yeah Fnord I was thinking that after I posted about the couple other hands they may do it with. The first poster - Steve0 - as far as what you said I would have to disagree with how you are playing it. I have seen some pretty wild players and I went in 40 bucks on top 2 pair when it was Q4 once in the small blind because this player kept always buyin pots. Well I got a caller and guess what he had?? He had QJ. A freakin pair of Qs with not even excellent kicker and he called 40 dollars at a NL 25 table. Anyway I realize this is not the norm but I have to agree with fishstick and Fnord. I think it will pay me off in the long run. At least hopefully.

Since skill and playing strategy varies so greatly between players at online sites its hard telling exactly what they will do but if someone bet that kind of strength to begin with and I had AA or KK I would reraise in 2 seconds and seriously consider the all in right there. As far as the 88 well I thought about it further and I give the chances of a retard having the low pocket pair made to trips almost none. Maybe like 1-2%. For one you have to think that at least 85% of players probably 95% will fold pocket pairs lower than JJ and probably that too from the start with a 3-5 bet. The 15% to 5% that happen to call only have a 12.5% chance of hitting trips on their low pair. This takes the odds for them having that down to 1.9%-.06%. Then you also have to think of the odds of them having small pocket pair at precisely the time you made AK. So basically I see this play as being a buy the pot, or weaker hand than you have 35% maybe, a tie at 40% possibly and a loss 25%. I don't know its all speculation lol.

Well I'm going to far with this I guess since most of the time you wouldnt be reraised all in with my scenario anyway. I just find AK flopping AKx on the flop as like almighty and very rarely being beat. Of course assumming no preflop reraises to the original 3-5 or whatever. Just think if you have 1 ace and 1k and 2 on the board the chance of them being able to beat you right their means they have to the only 2 Aces or Kings left in the deck. I dont know the odds on that but blah blah blah. Im confusing myself as well as probably everyone else. Yeah and smaller trips I would say are so improbable that I don't even consider someone having them.

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04-14-2004, 02:11 AM

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Oh and fishstick check the private boards for a royal vegas review that I will be posting right after this. There are certain key things I don't want the public knowing.

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05-06-2004, 01:35 PM

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***** Hand History for Game 578051976 *****
0/0 TexasHTGameTable (PL) - Wed May 05 22:49:51 EDT 2004
Table Bluff Some more (Real Money) -- Seat 1 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: Player1 ( $21.25)
Seat 2: Player2 ( $104.89)
Seat 3: Player3 ( $17.45)
Seat 4: Player4 ( $26.60)
Seat 5: Player5 ( $23.85)
Seat 6: Player6 ( $60.50)
Seat 7: Player7 ( $13.25)
Seat 8: Fnord ( $30.05)
Seat 9: MrsTilt ( $17)
Seat 10: Player10 ( $17.20)
Player2 posts small blind (0.25)
Player3 posts big blind (0.50)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Fnord [ Ks, Kh ]
Player4 folds.
Player5 raises (1.75) to 1.75
Player6 folds.
Player7 folds.
Fnord raises (4) to 4
MrsTilt folds.
Player10 folds.
Player1 folds.
Player2 folds.
Player3 calls (3.50)
Player5 calls (2.25)
** Dealing Flop ** : [ Ac, 5c, Kd ]
Player3 checks.
Player5 checks.
Fnord bets (7)
Player3 calls (7)
Player5 raises (19.85) to 19.85
Player5 is all-In.
Fnord raises (19.05) to 26.05
Fnord is all-In.
Player3 calls (6.45)
Player3 is all-In.
** Dealing Turn ** : [ 8d ]
** Dealing River ** : [ 6h ]
Creating Main Pot with $50 with Player3
Creating Side Pot 1 with $12.40 with Player5
Creating Side Pot 2 with $6.20 with Fnord
** Summary **
Main Pot: $50 | Side Pot 1: $12.40 | Side Pot 2: $6.20 | Rake: $3
Board: [ Ac 5c Kd 8d 6h ]
Player1 balance $21.25, didn't bet (folded)
Player2 balance $104.64, lost $0.25 (folded)
Player3 balance $0, lost $17.45 [ Ah Th ] [ a pair of aces -- Ah,Ac,Kd,Th,8d ]
Player4 balance $26.60, didn't bet (folded)
Player5 balance $0, lost $23.85 [ Kc Ad ] [ two pairs, aces and kings -- Ad,Ac,Kc,Kd,8d ]
Player6 balance $60.50, didn't bet (folded)
Player7 balance $13.25, didn't bet (folded)
Fnord balance $68.60, bet $30.05, collected $68.60, net +$38.55 [ Ks Kh ] [ three of a kind, kings -- Ac,Ks,Kh,Kd,8d ]
MrsTilt balance $17, didn't bet (folded)
Player10 balance $17.20, didn't bet (folded)

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