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pokerfan
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08-09-2009, 10:48 PM
Post subject: I gotta make a tough decision here
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4-of-a-Kind
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1/2 nl loose crazy game. I doubled up in my first hand.This was my third hand. 5 loose limpers, I got dealt :Ac: :As: in BB and popped up to $17,UTG1(villian) called,2 other callers.UTG1 limper/caller had about $350 behind and hero got him covered.I didnt know anything about this guy except that he wore sunglasses and looked pretty cool.BTW, I just sat down for 3 minutes on sunday afternoon.
flop($70): :Qc:   I bet $35, Sunglasses shoved his whole stack with confidence, two folds, hero gambool or fist pumping call?
Honestly, guys. I'd never think that it's a tough decision if it's only one buy-in behind.
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Fnord
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I snap. Yeah, sucks that it's for 2 buy-ins because you're gambing against his range, but I think you're at worst a little behind with enough money in the pot to cover.
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GahGah604
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I make this call anyday!
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pokerfan
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Gee!! You guys seem to have little respect for my opponent who shoved BIG into 3 ppl yet to act.
Golden rule: when live ppl show massive aggression on monotone flops in multiway pots and want to get big money in ASAP,their range is often towards made lower flush unless they are retards. We often need to catch up most of the time if we decide to call given pot odds and equity.
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donkbee
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People will do this with two pairs and sets too. I can never fold this.
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Originally Posted by Fnord
Why poker fucks with our heads: it's the master that beats you for bringing in the paper, then gives you a milkbone for peeing on the carpet.
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Fnord
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Originally Posted by courtiebee
People will do this with two pairs and sets too. I can never fold this.
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This, but I think it's close. I guess you can make a stronger argument for folding if you want to play at least $300 deep. Stronger argument for calling if you want to gamb00l for even more chips.
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BankItDrew
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snap it off at these stack sizes
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Girlfriend: Why are the werewolves more important than living life?!
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pokerfan
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I gambool it up and saw him flip over 8c4c.You guys would rarely understand my sick feeling in the heat of the moment considering that I just doubled up easily from a huge donator two hands ago but could lose about two buy-ins due to my gambling mindset.
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Jason
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I wrote this before you posted the results ... don't post results next time 
I used to think this was a call, but I actually think it's a fold. You are rarely ahead here and unlike drawing to a flush and a str8, your equity will probably not be very good if you're behind. For example, if your opponent has NO clubs, you're still not likely to hit a flush, but if your opponent has a flush, it's VERY unlikely you're going to hit one now because 2 extra cards are dead. If he has a set or two pair, now you have to hit one of two aces OR hit your flush in such a way that doesn't pair the board or one of his cards. If he does this with air or AQ or a flush draw, there will probably be a better spot to make a move, but since you don't have reads, I think it's better to give him credit. A good player like we presumably are doesn't have to gamble in this spot against an unknown. Don't get married to your aces. Laying this down here (face down) separates us in a good way.
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pokerfan
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Originally Posted by Jason
I wrote this before you posted the results ... don't post results next time |
Yeah, your logic sounds very reasonable.There's sooo much easy money to be made in these soft loose games that we don't have to gamble BIG with our So-So EV in these marginal spots.
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pokerfan
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Jason, this is the final result.
Turn: :Ah:
river: :Qd:
villian:  
hero: :Ac: :As:
this is a brag post instead of venting. I ran like a god and became a suckout King.I'm still thinking that this is a -Ev call in the long run given poor pot odds and about 1:1.88 equity againts sets and lower flush.
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sportbike33
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Ace of Clubs gaurantees my call I put him on AQ... prob because you told us but still, great call...
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BankItDrew
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How is this a brag post?
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Girlfriend: Why are the werewolves more important than living life?!
Girlfriend: Are you on the forums doing the werewolves again?
Girlfriend: Soo... you forgot to run that errand, but you had time to werewolf? Wtf?
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Jason
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Originally Posted by sportbike33
Ace of Clubs gaurantees my call I put him on AQ... prob because you told us but still, great call...
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Actually, if I understand the post, AQ was the turn and the river and hero was a 23% dog going to the turn and even after hitting a set of aces, still a 34% dog going to the river.
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- Jason
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pokerfan
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Originally Posted by sportbike33
Ace of Clubs gaurantees my call I put him on AQ...
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Only insane ppl would shove this deep (160BB) with AQ without redraws.His shoving range is leaning towards made flushes, sets , two pairs sometimes and KcQx a small percentage of the time.
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sportbike33
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I must of misunderstood I thought he said the guy that pushed had a AQ, but that doesnt surprise me one bit that I misread...
So the guy pushes with a flush... u think since you are holding the A of clubs its not an insta call. I don't normally put someone on a strong hand when they overbet that much in a cash game. However I am an impatient losing player so this is where I need to clean up my game. I rarely play a game that deep where I dont piss away my $$$ pretty quick. I will take note of the fact that I should prob fold there simply because I am 9 times out of 10 beat, expecially if I dont have a read on anyone.
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Fnord
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990 games 0.016 secs 61,875 games/sec
Board: Qc 7c 6c
Dead:
equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 27.273% 27.27% 00.00% 270 0.00 { AcAs }
Hand 1: 72.727% 72.73% 00.00% 720 0.00 { 8c4c }
~$90 mistake
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