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stinger
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04-27-2010, 09:38 PM
Post subject: How do you get your mojo back
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3-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Missouri
Posts: 57
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I have been running so bad for the last few sessions I am afraid to play any hand. The sucks outs have been enormous. I just got back from Vegas which was a disaster. The play was so soft that I found myself playing way too many hands. I saw probably 75 to 80 % of the flops for a $2.00 bet. This led me to chase flushes, trips and straights.
I am a usually a very solid tight aggressive player but the losing session I have been experiencing have caused me to tighten up even more.
Last night at 1/2 NL live I was in the following spot. I had K-J of hearts in mid position. The bet was $15.00 to me and I folded. The flop was K-J of spades and a rag. The pot was raised and reraised and finally the hand was won with AA. I would have won a big pot.
Second hand was A-Q D. The bet was $20.00 to me and I called. The flop was As and 2 diamonds. The bet to me was 25.00 and I called. The turn was an other diamond and the bet was 45.00 I just called and the river was a heart and the bet to me was 95.00 and fearing A-K or A-J I folded.
I guess with the A-Q I should have raised and that would have given me an idea what I was up against and should I have called the K-Js.
I am second guessing every play and this is making me a very ineffectual player.
Any advice would be appreciated and dont spare my feelings and I am already convince I am a POKER DUMB ASS.
For over 150 hours I am ahead but at the rate I am losing this wont be for long.
I should say that for almost 3 hours of play last nigt I onlky lost 25.00 but it is still a LOSS!!!!
Usually I take control of the play but I am so snake bit I am hanging back.
Putting this in writing I think I have answered many of my own questions buty would still lioke to hear from others.
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Full House
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Under a bridge
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If this hobby is causing you so much pain, maybe it is time for a break. Focusing on $$ rarely leads to good feelings or a good poker.
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baudib
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4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Aug 2005
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It's hard to comment on these hands without more information, such as reads, stack sizes, etc. But to be honest they seem like the most basic situations ever. That's not to say that standard spots cannot be examined but you need to provide a better description of the action in the hand. I mean, from reading the AQ hand it reads like you folded the nut flush because you were scared of AK.
Second-guessing yourself because you folded a playable hand and would have won a huge pot is seriously bad. It sounds as if you have never played poker before. And if you're upset about losing $25 in a session or think you should never have losing sessions or losing streaks, then yeah, maybe this isn't for you so much.
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Playing big pots at small stakes.
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eugmac
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Full House
Join Date: Jun 2006
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^Everything baudib said.
Also, are you bankrolled enough for live games? You need to have enough of a bankroll that you're able to just think about EV and nothing else.
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I saw probably 75 to 80 % of the flops for a $2.00 bet. This led me to chase flushes, trips and straights.
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I am a usually a very solid tight aggressive player but the losing session I have been experiencing have caused me to tighten up even more.
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Seeing 80% of flops is not the mark of a tight player. I think what you mean is you were loose passive preflop, and weaktight postflop. In otherwords, you are playing like a fish. When the games are super soft, the way to beat it is tight, aggressive play - ABC poker. Make a good hand, then value bet hard. Stop open limping, then check/folding flops. If you do that even once an orbit that's like -2BB cutting into your winrate every hour.
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stinger
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3-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Missouri
Posts: 57
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No I didnt catch the flush. I had four to the flush and when the Jh came on the river and the player raised thats when I figured him for the AK or AJ. I just cant remember all the ins and outs of the hand but he had played AK with a raise several hands before so thats the hand I put him on. I dont think AQ is that strong and if the jh had been jd I would have made my flush. Oh well thats why I called GAMBLING!!!
I really just needed to put down my feelings and see them in print.
I know its just one long session and there are swings up and down. I am not playing with scared money and have a sufficient bankroll to absorb the swings its just no onelikes to lose.
Since I have been running so bad I consider a loss of 25.00 a near miss plus after my session I went up to the VIP room andf had a free steak, and a couple of Jonnie Walker Blacks for a dollar so all in all i guess I really came out ahead.
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stinger
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3-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Missouri
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In addition I never see that many flops! Its that the games I was in in Vegas allowed you to do that there was never more than a 2.00 call and no one reraised. In my home casino you will find that the preflop raise will be a 10.00 to 15.00 raise. The night I played at home after getting back from Vegas I only played 6 hands in two hours I won four, lost one and folded one to a big raise. (my AQ hand)
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pokerfan
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4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: NS, Canada
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Originally Posted by stinger
In addition I never see that many flops! Its that the games I was in in Vegas allowed you to do that there was never more than a 2.00 call and no one reraised.
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limping games suck a whole lot and often become too unpredictable imo.That said,you can still limp in behind a bunch of limpers on CO & BT with the strongest nut potential speculative hands.
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swiggidy
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4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Waiting in the shadows ...
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I hope your rants are just something that belongs in the tilt forum.
The way you are talking and describing hands it sounds like you do not have a strong understanding of poker, and are just playing hands. (to be steroetypical you are talking like a live game player, not an online player)
Do you really understand swings, or are you just saying that? Can you differentiate running good vs a realistic winrate?
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Tiresman
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Two Pair
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Florida
Posts: 36
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150 hours live is only ~5000 hands, hardly any kind of reasonable sample size.
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idfk
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Two Pair
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Melboure, Australia
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I really like the way that nobody really has offered this guy no real advice. It looks clear that the OP is aware that all hands were played badly.
The only advice I can offer you is to just take a break and don't set a time limit on how long you are taking off. Find yourself another interest and brush up on the theory behind poker and work out the mistakes that you made and what you can do to prevent them.
You will know when you are ready to return to the tables.
And also, you say that you are ahead after playing 150hrs but you cant sustain 3 loosing sessions? Why is this?
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swiggidy
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4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Waiting in the shadows ...
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If you bitch about a couple hands that you wanted back after seeing the results, then don't ask a real question, then state you think you answered your question that's generally an indication of a tilt post.
Advice given:
Take a break
Keep working on your game
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Rupeni
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3-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Jan 2010
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yeah mate, imo live poker is way soft enough that if you're continually studying the game you'll crush it in the long run... as stated I think you've gotta be less results focused... like the KJs example... and just try to play good, that's the nature of poker, you've got no control over short term variance and sometimes you'll run bad even if you play good, just gotta keep getting it in +EV and you'll eventually run good. I've found this mind set helps alot on a hand by hand basis too, like bet sizing so that I maximise the EV in the long run, not just trying to lock up the pot. ps "Small Stakes holdem" by Edmiller/ Sklanksy is a pretty mint place to start. Also, I think you need to be properly bank rolled in order to handle the swings and take bad beats in your stride... I think the general consensus is that you should be playing with at least 15 buy ins behind you, 15 being quite slim.
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